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News & Politics / The Obaman Markets
« Last post by wbcoleman on March 28, 2013, 10:02:50 pm »
Five months following the reelection of Barack Obama, the equity markets closed today at all-time highs.  The S&P 500 rose 10% in the first quarter, the Dow Industrials are up 11%, the small-cap indices even more.  Oh, by the way, debt markets also remain near their highs, meaning that interest rates are at record lows.  Given that O is poison for the economy, how are we to understand these facts?
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News & Politics / Re: On Gay Marriage
« Last post by wbcoleman on March 28, 2013, 09:58:20 pm »
I'm not familiar with civil marriage in Israel but it all boils down to the fact that the US government should treat people as individuals whenever possible.  I think the government goes astray when it puts people into groups and and then either grants them special favor or imposes special punishment.  Private organizations, like churches, should be allowed to draw such distinctions but lawmakers shouldn't.

I brought up Israel because civil marriage doesn't exist there.  Is that what you are advocating for the United States?
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News & Politics / Re: On Gay Marriage
« Last post by Ted S on March 28, 2013, 04:08:27 pm »
I'm not familiar with civil marriage in Israel but it all boils down to the fact that the US government should treat people as individuals whenever possible.  I think the government goes astray when it puts people into groups and and then either grants them special favor or imposes special punishment.  Private organizations, like churches, should be allowed to draw such distinctions but lawmakers shouldn't.
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News & Politics / Re: On Gay Marriage
« Last post by wbcoleman on March 28, 2013, 03:04:17 pm »
I'd call inheritance rights a bit more than "a minor convenience"!

Right now if you're married and you die, your stuff automatically goes to your spouse.  If you don't want this all you have to do is draw up a contract that spells out your preferred terms.

In a USA where the government didn't recognize the religious designation of marriage there would be a greater need for a written contract rather than today's implied contract.  As I said, I would guess that most churches would have some standard contracts on hand that basically said, "I leave everything to my spouse."  The couple would sign on the line that is dotted after the ceremony and legally it would be no different than it is today.  This seems logical and reasonable to me.

In the case of married people who didn't have a WILL, I suppose it would be decided much like it is today for singles who live together but never get married.  They would have the matter resolved in the court system.

Iowahawk makes a brief but effective argument I think.  The state doesn't recognize, nor confer special benefits on people who have been baptized or confirmed.  There's no special tax benefits taking communion.  Marriage is really a religious designation and even though it is widespread and popular, the state shouldn't be involved.

You would abolish civil marriage, a la the State of Israel?
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News & Politics / Re: On Gay Marriage
« Last post by Ted S on March 28, 2013, 12:55:25 pm »
I'd call inheritance rights a bit more than "a minor convenience"!

Right now if you're married and you die, your stuff automatically goes to your spouse.  If you don't want this all you have to do is draw up a contract that spells out your preferred terms.

In a USA where the government didn't recognize the religious designation of marriage there would be a greater need for a written contract rather than today's implied contract.  As I said, I would guess that most churches would have some standard contracts on hand that basically said, "I leave everything to my spouse."  The couple would sign on the line that is dotted after the ceremony and legally it would be no different than it is today.  This seems logical and reasonable to me.

In the case of married people who didn't have a WILL, I suppose it would be decided much like it is today for singles who live together but never get married.  They would have the matter resolved in the court system.

Iowahawk makes a brief but effective argument I think.  The state doesn't recognize, nor confer special benefits on people who have been baptized or confirmed.  There's no special tax benefits taking communion.  Marriage is really a religious designation and even though it is widespread and popular, the state shouldn't be involved.
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News & Politics / Re: RWE: Top poster for March 2013!
« Last post by wbcoleman on March 28, 2013, 02:00:27 am »
I've underestimated you guys. I thought my lead was insurmountable.

No way!
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News & Politics / Re: On Gay Marriage
« Last post by wbcoleman on March 28, 2013, 01:59:29 am »
You don't believe that spouses ought to be able to inherit each other's property automatically?

Seems like a minor convenience.

Don't get me wrong, I think lots of people will still get married but it wouldn't have legal implications.  I suppose most churches would offer the couple some sort of boilerplate legal agreement to sign around the time of the ceremony.  Just like when you but life insurance, you can name pretty much anybody as the beneficiary.

Apparently Iowahawk read my post and had weighed in.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/03/26/Same-Sex-Marriage-and-Gilligan-s-Island-Game-Theory

I'd call inheritance rights a bit more than "a minor convenience"!
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News & Politics / Re: On Gay Marriage
« Last post by Ted S on March 27, 2013, 09:55:29 pm »
You don't believe that spouses ought to be able to inherit each other's property automatically?

Seems like a minor convenience.

Don't get me wrong, I think lots of people will still get married but it wouldn't have legal implications.  I suppose most churches would offer the couple some sort of boilerplate legal agreement to sign around the time of the ceremony.  Just like when you but life insurance, you can name pretty much anybody as the beneficiary.

Apparently Iowahawk read my post and had weighed in.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/03/26/Same-Sex-Marriage-and-Gilligan-s-Island-Game-Theory
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News & Politics / Re: On Gay Marriage
« Last post by wbcoleman on March 27, 2013, 09:40:47 pm »
Seems like there is nonstop gnashing-of-teeth over this whole gay marriage thing but in my opinion the entire discussion is moot.

The real discussion ought to be:

Why should the government favor married people over single people?

If the government made law that treated people as individuals this whole gay marriage thing would go away. Can anybody tell me why the government should give preference to one group of people while ignoring or punishing another group?

Look, marriage is a good thing but it can be a private thing.  I just can't see why the government needs to be in the marriage business at all.

You don't believe that spouses ought to be able to inherit each other's property automatically?
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News & Politics / Re: RWE: Top poster for March 2013!
« Last post by RWE on March 27, 2013, 03:43:23 pm »
I've underestimated you guys. I thought my lead was insurmountable.
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