hypercrites

Well, I'm discussing the position of the people who affect government policy.  That would exclude you, as well as myself.  The deal is that their arguments are ones that they expect to sway you and me to their way of thinking because you and me vote. The question I raise is, are their arguments persuasive to cause me or you to vote one way or the other?  Speaking for myself, the answer is no.

And since you're forwarding your own talking points here, it's abundantly obvious that it's not the case in your case either.

That is convenient for you considering what you are talking about is clearly a diversion from what was discussed prior to your meandering thoughts.  If that is what you want to discuss instead of the topic, see ya.