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Huckabee throws knockout punch, nobody notices
« on: June 11, 2012, 04:30:16 pm »
I caught This Week with George Stephanopoulos yesterday which was more feisty than usual.  The increased level of contention was probably more about the participants than the subject matter. Instead of the usual stoic George Will and dreary Donna Brazille, the panelists were Van Jones, Ed Rendell, Ann Coulter, and Mike Huckabee.  Predictably, Ms. Coulter drew the most fire.

As usual the drumbeat coming from the leftists on the panel was how terrible the USA would be if republicans made good on their promise to rein-in federal spending.  This would in their minds lead to layoffs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters which everybody knows means the end-of-the-world.

Jones and Rendell offered the usual left-wing tripe and Coulter rightly noted that plans for the hiring of teachers too often actually morph into the hiring of diversity coordinators and other politically correct yet non-essential, non-teacher jobs.  But Mike Huckabee threw the knockout punch at the very end of the conversation.  It was too late, and it went completely unnoticed, even by me, until I watched a recap of it on the net.

Huckabee made what should have been the conversation ending observation that the federal government doesn't really employ any police officers, firefighters, or teachers.  It's true. Your local arm of government, be it the county or the city, is the real true employer of policemen, firemen, and teachers.  The federal government employs only a tiny number of these workers.  The only place where federal police officers, firefighters, and teachers are found is on military installations and national parks and monuments.  That's it.  If your house catches fire, or your business is burglarized, the local authorities will come, not federal authorities.  And of course your kids go to their local school which is funded in all likelihood by local property taxes.  The federal government simply does not provide these essential services, yet you wouldn't know that from listening to Van Jones and Ed Rendell.  They say that reining-in federal spending will necessarily reduce the numbers of police, fire, and teachers.  I say BS.  In fact, one could make the argument that the more money that is spent on the federal government, the less is available for local governments.

In an honest exchange, as soon as Huckabee noted that the feds employ but a tiny fraction of people in those occupations, the conversation would have ended.  The whole police, fire, teacher angle is rendered moot. There is no reason for any more discussion. Game over. Done.

Sadly, knock-out facts like Huckabee's are easily brushed aside by modern politicians. I'd be embarrassed to continue to argue the same old talking points when they had been so thoroughly discredited but today's left just plows on like it never happened.

Here's a link to the episode.

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Re: Huckabee throws knockout punch, nobody notices
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 12:49:48 pm »
I caught This Week with George Stephanopoulos yesterday which was more feisty than usual.  The increased level of contention was probably more about the participants than the subject matter. Instead of the usual stoic George Will and dreary Donna Brazille, the panelists were Van Jones, Ed Rendell, Ann Coulter, and Mike Huckabee.  Predictably, Ms. Coulter drew the most fire.

As usual the drumbeat coming from the leftists on the panel was how terrible the USA would be if republicans made good on their promise to rein-in federal spending.  This would in their minds lead to layoffs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters which everybody knows means the end-of-the-world.

Jones and Rendell offered the usual left-wing tripe and Coulter rightly noted that plans for the hiring of teachers too often actually morph into the hiring of diversity coordinators and other politically correct yet non-essential, non-teacher jobs.  But Mike Huckabee threw the knockout punch at the very end of the conversation.  It was too late, and it went completely unnoticed, even by me, until I watched a recap of it on the net.

Huckabee made what should have been the conversation ending observation that the federal government doesn't really employ any police officers, firefighters, or teachers.  It's true. Your local arm of government, be it the county or the city, is the real true employer of policemen, firemen, and teachers.  The federal government employs only a tiny number of these workers.  The only place where federal police officers, firefighters, and teachers are found is on military installations and national parks and monuments.  That's it.  If your house catches fire, or your business is burglarized, the local authorities will come, not federal authorities.  And of course your kids go to their local school which is funded in all likelihood by local property taxes.  The federal government simply does not provide these essential services, yet you wouldn't know that from listening to Van Jones and Ed Rendell.  They say that reining-in federal spending will necessarily reduce the numbers of police, fire, and teachers.  I say BS.  In fact, one could make the argument that the more money that is spent on the federal government, the less is available for local governments.

In an honest exchange, as soon as Huckabee noted that the feds employ but a tiny fraction of people in those occupations, the conversation would have ended.  The whole police, fire, teacher angle is rendered moot. There is no reason for any more discussion. Game over. Done.

Sadly, knock-out facts like Huckabee's are easily brushed aside by modern politicians. I'd be embarrassed to continue to argue the same old talking points when they had been so thoroughly discredited but today's left just plows on like it never happened.

Here's a link to the episode.

I grew up in a Baptist home and always heard that God would call you, if you listen. I am sure Gov Huckabee would tell you that God called him to become a preacher and fisher of men. So here's my question who called him to quit and become a talk show host? Also why wasn't he able to continue to lose weight after he stop running for President? Does God change a man outlook and appearance for each vocational change;  from becoming  a preacher, a governor, or run for president and finally a talk show host or is it the will of man focus on  greed and selfishness that has change?  So as a person who has study and knows Gods words with all his actions. Does man sense he must justify his own will over Gods will to the faithful so he lays it at Gods feet by saying it was God will after many hours of prayer; who directed his life even though his standard of living has increased way past where the average Christian standard of life is ?  Or is it because of mans own hypocrisy, even towards God will? kentay
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Re: Huckabee throws knockout punch, nobody notices
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 01:12:52 pm »
Kentay, your last post is mostly unintelligible to me.  If you're asking what made Huckabee leave the church and eventually become a talk show host, quite frankly I don't care.  That's his business and as a talk show host his actions don't affect me.  I can always choose to tune him out -- you can too.

I'm intensely interested in the institutions and people that I'm forced to deal with.  I can't tune them out.  They insist on my participation and if I refuse they have the legal authority to imprison me.  Who are these people and institutions?  Politicians and government.

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 01:21:47 pm »
Kentay, your last post is mostly unintelligible to me.  If you're asking what made Huckabee leave the church and eventually become a talk show host, quite frankly I don't care.  That's his business and as a talk show host his actions don't affect me.  I can always choose to tune him out -- you can too.

I'm intensely interested in the institutions and people that I'm forced to deal with.  I can't tune them out.  They insist on my participation and if I refuse they have the legal authority to imprison me.  Who are these people and institutions?  Politicians and government.

That's to bad Ted as a Christian man you should care and not be hoodwinked by Religious scoundrels. kentay
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 01:26:55 pm »
That's to bad Ted as a Christian man you should care and not be hoodwinked by Religious scoundrels. kentay

There are religious scoundrels in the world to be sure but I have no reason to think Huckabee is one of them.  I'm not a big Huckabee fan anyway, he seems like a pro-life Democrat.

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Re: Huckabee throws knockout punch, nobody notices
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 01:28:25 pm »
I caught This Week with George Stephanopoulos yesterday which was more feisty than usual.  The increased level of contention was probably more about the participants than the subject matter. Instead of the usual stoic George Will and dreary Donna Brazille, the panelists were Van Jones, Ed Rendell, Ann Coulter, and Mike Huckabee.  Predictably, Ms. Coulter drew the most fire.

As usual the drumbeat coming from the leftists on the panel was how terrible the USA would be if republicans made good on their promise to rein-in federal spending.  This would in their minds lead to layoffs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters which everybody knows means the end-of-the-world.

Jones and Rendell offered the usual left-wing tripe and Coulter rightly noted that plans for the hiring of teachers too often actually morph into the hiring of diversity coordinators and other politically correct yet non-essential, non-teacher jobs.  But Mike Huckabee threw the knockout punch at the very end of the conversation.  It was too late, and it went completely unnoticed, even by me, until I watched a recap of it on the net.

Huckabee made what should have been the conversation ending observation that the federal government doesn't really employ any police officers, firefighters, or teachers.  It's true. Your local arm of government, be it the county or the city, is the real true employer of policemen, firemen, and teachers.  The federal government employs only a tiny number of these workers.  The only place where federal police officers, firefighters, and teachers are found is on military installations and national parks and monuments.  That's it.  If your house catches fire, or your business is burglarized, the local authorities will come, not federal authorities.  And of course your kids go to their local school which is funded in all likelihood by local property taxes.  The federal government simply does not provide these essential services, yet you wouldn't know that from listening to Van Jones and Ed Rendell.  They say that reining-in federal spending will necessarily reduce the numbers of police, fire, and teachers.  I say BS.  In fact, one could make the argument that the more money that is spent on the federal government, the less is available for local governments.

In an honest exchange, as soon as Huckabee noted that the feds employ but a tiny fraction of people in those occupations, the conversation would have ended.  The whole police, fire, teacher angle is rendered moot. There is no reason for any more discussion. Game over. Done.

Sadly, knock-out facts like Huckabee's are easily brushed aside by modern politicians. I'd be embarrassed to continue to argue the same old talking points when they had been so thoroughly discredited but today's left just plows on like it never happened.

Here's a link to the episode.

I think it was Nixon who got around this.  Didn't he originate the idea of block grants to the states?  Nowadays, state and local governments may employ these workers, but the Federal government helps fund them.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2012, 01:34:44 pm »
Nowadays, state and local governments may employ these workers, but the Federal government helps fund them.

Yes, the federal government does pass dollars to the states and I'm sure the states pass dollars to the county and the county passes dollars to the city and the city passes dollars to any number of community groups.  Sounds really efficient!

How about this idea? How about each government entity do their own taxing and spending?

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2012, 02:21:02 pm »
Nowadays, state and local governments may employ these workers, but the Federal government helps fund them.

Yes, the federal government does pass dollars to the states and I'm sure the states pass dollars to the county and the county passes dollars to the city and the city passes dollars to any number of community groups.  Sounds really efficient!

How about this idea? How about each government entity do their own taxing and spending?

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 07:55:30 am »
Nowadays, state and local governments may employ these workers, but the Federal government helps fund them.

Yes, the federal government does pass dollars to the states and I'm sure the states pass dollars to the county and the county passes dollars to the city and the city passes dollars to any number of community groups.  Sounds really efficient!

How about this idea? How about each government entity do their own taxing and spending?

Do you feel that way on Defense? You sound more like A Libertarian than you do a Christian. kentay
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 08:13:17 am »
Do you feel that way on Defense? You sound more like A Libertarian than you do a Christian. kentay

Defense is a federal role.  The constitution authorizes congress to maintain a regular army.

I'm a small "L" libertarian and a christian. They're not mutually exclusive.

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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 08:52:48 am »
Do you feel that way on Defense? You sound more like A Libertarian than you do a Christian. kentay

Defense is a federal role.  The constitution authorizes congress to maintain a regular army.

I'm a small "L" libertarian and a christian. They're not mutually exclusive.


Ted, what part dose the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) if any play in your Libertarian beliefs? kentay
 
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