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Obama's Betrayal
« on: August 16, 2012, 09:11:58 pm »
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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 09:14:22 pm »
Communists have no ethical lines they can't cross.
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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 11:11:43 am »
I will Try to refute based on history and reasoning  Anyone who thinks the closing of companies you take over and then sell off their assets causing them to eventfully close while you walk away with millions. While the workers that have helped build the business and worked there for years lose their retirement, healthcare for a small stipend, have a tenancy to get sick, breakup of families, suicide  and little to no chance of having any future job. While the Bian capital crony capitalist take photos of themselves eating money and throwing it around like they had millions to burn on the broken bodies of their workers.  Remember ENRON Kentay.  

 
How Two Wall Street Journal Reporters Uncovered the Lies that Destroyed Faith in Corporate America. The "smartest guys in the room" included Kenneth Lay, Jeffrey Skilling, Rebecca Mark, Andrew Fastow, Kenneth Rice, and Clifford Baxter. Whereas Smith and Emshwiller explored the same company as investigative reporters, McLean and Elkind seem (to me) to have approached their subject as corporate anthropologists. Both books reach many of the same conclusions as to what happened...and why.

McLean and Elkind suggest that the eventual collapse of Enron was caused less by the greed of senior-level Enron executives than it was by their arrogance and incompetence. Their lack of basic business acumen is astonishing as is their defiance of regulatory agencies and contempt for customers. None of them seems to have had a moral "compass." They exemplified, indeed nourished a culture of brutal competition between and among their subordinates. Each used Enron as a personal ATM as well as a means by which to structure all manner of corporate partnerships and high risk/high yield investments without fear of any personal liability. If one prospered, so did they. If it failed, the loss was Enron's. On to another.

Primary blame for all this must be shared by Lay, Skilling, and Fastow. McLean and Elkind rigorously examine the inadequacies of each, suggesting that if only one of the three had not been involved, it is probable that Enron would not have had the problems it did. Attorneys, accountants, brokers (notably Merrill Lynch) and bankers (especially Citibank and JP Morgan Chase) apparently were aware of Enron's bending and then breaking of various laws but were earning so much in fees that they chose to remain at the Enron "trough" side-by-side with Lay, Skilling, Fastow, and other Enron executives.


Here's how another former employee explains the process: "Say you have a dog, but you need to create a duck on the financial statements. Fortunately there are specific accounting rules for what constitutes a duck: yellow feet, white covering, orange beak. So you take the dog and paint its feet yellow and its fur white and you paste an orange plastic beak on its nose, and then you say to your accountants, `This is a duck! Don't you agree that it's a duck?' And the accountants say, `Yes, according to the rules, this is a duck.' Everybody knows that it's a dog, not a duck, but that doesn't matter, because you've met the rules for calling it a duck."
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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 11:37:14 am »
I will Try to refute based on history and reasoning 


ENRON explains the gutter nature of the Obama presidency and Obama campaign? ? ?
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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 01:41:59 pm »
Communists have no ethical lines they can't cross.
Neither do capitalists, and now they lie in the same bed. ;)

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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 01:44:34 pm »
I will Try to refute based on history and reasoning 


ENRON explains the gutter nature of the Obama presidency and Obama campaign? ? ?
It explains why that charge is a canard.

IMHO, I've always said that the problem with Obama is his party, but that's the same problem with any Republican candidate.  What makes Obama unique is that, for all its faults, his conscience is bigger than that of both parties combined.

The religious right certainly lack conscience, which is why they require a religion crutch.

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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 02:13:00 pm »
I will Try to refute based on history and reasoning 


ENRON explains the gutter nature of the Obama presidency and Obama campaign? ? ?
It explains why that charge is a canard.

IMHO, I've always said that the problem with Obama is his party, but that's the same problem with any Republican candidate.  What makes Obama unique is that, for all its faults, his conscience is bigger than that of both parties combined.

The religious right certainly lack conscience, which is why they require a religion crutch.

How does Enron demonstrate ANYTHING about Obama, much less that charges against him are a canard?

As for Obama's conscience, I agree that it is a marvel to behold.
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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 03:42:33 pm »
Blame bush.  And Romney is exceedingly rich.  And the fate of the republic rests on releasing his tax returns.


Enron?  Wow!


Anyhow, I love how Obama is talking about a clean campaign while they have painted Romney as n evil daddy Warbucks who will kill your wife, send el salvadoran death squads to democratic neighbor hoods, and wants to steal the pension checks of little old ladies.  Not to mention he is scheming over cigars and brandy with a young mini me who is hell bent on eating babies and throwing  granny into the abyss.





A reminder for kentay:
I fully support going back to ALL, that says ALL THE CLINTON TAX and spend policies that led to the economic boom in the second half of the 90's.

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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 03:49:21 pm »
Blame bush.  And Romney is exceedingly rich.  And the fate of the republic rests on releasing his tax returns.

Enron?  Wow!

Anyhow, I love how Obama is talking about a clean campaign while they have painted Romney as n evil daddy Warbucks who will kill your wife, send el salvadoran death squads to democratic neighbor hoods, and wants to steal the pension checks of little old ladies.  Not to mention he is scheming over cigars and brandy with a young mini me who is hell bent on eating babies and throwing  granny into the abyss.

So, woody, whom should we blame more for the dilemmas facing our beloved country.... Ken Lay or Mitt's tax returns?
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Re: Obama's Betrayal
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 03:55:09 pm »
Blame bush.  And Romney is exceedingly rich.  And the fate of the republic rests on releasing his tax returns.

Enron?  Wow!

Anyhow, I love how Obama is talking about a clean campaign while they have painted Romney as n evil daddy Warbucks who will kill your wife, send el salvadoran death squads to democratic neighbor hoods, and wants to steal the pension checks of little old ladies.  Not to mention he is scheming over cigars and brandy with a young mini me who is hell bent on eating babies and throwing  granny into the abyss.

So, woody, whom should we blame more for the dilemmas facing our beloved country.... Ken Lay or Mitt's tax returns?


LOL!  I read that quick and I thought it said Ken Tay!


Actually the real reason is voter ID laws. 
A reminder for kentay:
I fully support going back to ALL, that says ALL THE CLINTON TAX and spend policies that led to the economic boom in the second half of the 90's.