Rise of the Drones and Accountability

[clistensprechen]

It's apparently overlooked by the good partisans on this board that a memo (a summary) of the legal basis claimed for killing Americans without constitutional Due Process via drone targeting, which is a Dubya administration concept carried over by the Obama administration.

A few notable Dem talking heads have voiced criticism about this, but the Republicans? Nada.  Getting their mitts back onto this level of power is Job One for the GOP, not a criticism of the policy.  The unitary executive tenet is one they religiously believe in but only if the president is a Republican.  If they attempt to insist that Obama be held accountable for it, they'll lose that power the next time around. It's the power that they're hungry for.

[RWE]

It's apparently overlooked by the good partisans on this board that a memo (a summary) of the legal basis claimed for killing Americans without constitutional Due Process via drone targeting, which is a Dubya administration concept carried over by the Obama administration.

One partisan didn't overlook it. You. And in a thread containing the word "accountability" in it's title, you've managed to blame republicans for Obama's ordering of the deaths of US citizens without evidence of wrongdoing or trial.

[Ted S]

Well I have a problem with all of this killing in foreign lands with no declaration of war.  I say if the USA wants to kill foreign enemies then they have to officially declare war.  We do way too many seat-of-the-pants military operations.

If there are real enemies out there, get congress to declare war, win decisively, and get out.

[RWE]

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/06/attorney_general_holder_defends_execution_without_charges/Yet here is a Democratic administration asserting not merely the right to surveil or detain citizens without charges or judicial review, but to kill them without any of that: a far more extreme, permanent and irreversible act."

[clistensprechen]

Well I have a problem with all of this killing in foreign lands with no declaration of war.  I say if the USA wants to kill foreign enemies then they have to officially declare war.  We do way too many seat-of-the-pants military operations.

If there are real enemies out there, get congress to declare war, win decisively, and get out.

Exactomundo. The snag we encounter, though, is that the war we're in isn't against a particular nation. It's against a global group. Now what do we do?

[clistensprechen]

It's apparently overlooked by the good partisans on this board that a memo (a summary) of the legal basis claimed for killing Americans without constitutional Due Process via drone targeting, which is a Dubya administration concept carried over by the Obama administration.

One partisan didn't overlook it. You. And in a thread containing the word "accountability" in it's title, you've managed to blame republicans for Obama's ordering of the deaths of US citizens without evidence of wrongdoing or trial.

You couldn't be more wrong. About everything.

[clistensprechen]

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/06/attorney_general_holder_defends_execution_without_charges/Yet here is a Democratic administration asserting not merely the right to surveil or detain citizens without charges or judicial review, but to kill them without any of that: a far more extreme, permanent and irreversible act."

Yup, and it's all because presidential powers were expanded under Dubya, now enjoyed by Obama. A pox on both parties.

[RWE]

Yup, and it's all because presidential powers were expanded under Dubya, now enjoyed by Obama.

You're so gutless. You can't even admit that it is your dreamboat Benito Obama that has expanded the powers of the president to that of executing US citizens without trial.

[clistensprechen]

Yup, and it's all because presidential powers were expanded under Dubya, now enjoyed by Obama.

You're so gutless. You can't even admit that it is your dreamboat Benito Obama that has expanded the powers of the president to that of executing US citizens without trial.

I would if he did, but he didn't, so I don't. That's Dubya's plank (more like Cheney's but definitely the party's), and Dubya handed it to Obama.

[RWE]

Yup, and it's all because presidential powers were expanded under Dubya, now enjoyed by Obama.

You're so gutless. You can't even admit that it is your dreamboat Benito Obama that has expanded the powers of the president to that of executing US citizens without trial.

I would if he did, but he didn't, so I don't. That's Dubya's plank (more like Cheney's but definitely the party's), and Dubya handed it to Obama.

Accountability is one thing you will forever shield Obama from. Obama has never done anything since his birth that George Bush didn't instigate.

[RWE]

NIXON"S FAULT!!!!
"When the President does it, that means it is not illegal." Richard M. Nixon, TV interview with David Frost, May 20, 1977

[clistensprechen]

NIXON"S FAULT!!!!
"When the President does it, that means it is not illegal." Richard M. Nixon, TV interview with David Frost, May 20, 1977

He resigned for being wrong about that. And then Dubya surrounded himself with Nixon's unindicted co-conspirators and resurrected the notion, which cons continued to defend until Obama got elected. And re-elected.

[clistensprechen]

Yup, and it's all because presidential powers were expanded under Dubya, now enjoyed by Obama.

You're so gutless. You can't even admit that it is your dreamboat Benito Obama that has expanded the powers of the president to that of executing US citizens without trial.

I would if he did, but he didn't, so I don't. That's Dubya's plank (more like Cheney's but definitely the party's), and Dubya handed it to Obama.

Accountability is one thing you will forever shield Obama from. Obama has never done anything since his birth that George Bush didn't instigate.

And you were there in the playground with both of 'em, so you know this personally to be a fact.  Right.

[RWE]

He resigned for being wrong about that. And then Dubya surrounded himself with Nixon's unindicted co-conspirators and resurrected the notion, which cons continued to defend until Obama got elected. And re-elected.

Apparently if the president executes American citizens without a trial it is legal now. according to Obama's co-conspirator AG Holder, due process is now the president ordering a firing squad. But ah heck, Bush forced him to do it.

[clistensprechen]

He resigned for being wrong about that. And then Dubya surrounded himself with Nixon's unindicted co-conspirators and resurrected the notion, which cons continued to defend until Obama got elected. And re-elected.

Apparently if the president executes American citizens without a trial it is legal now. according to Obama's co-conspirator AG Holder, due process is now the president ordering a firing squad. But ah heck, Bush forced him to do it.

It's interesting how the people who swear to uphold the Constitution consistently fail to read Article 3 Section 3.