I'm new and it seems that the problem is; "not seeing the forest for the trees"!

[Woody]

I love my iphone and iPad.  Unfortunately this forum is not well suited for safari and IOS.

I think there is an app available that will take many, or maybe even any, SMF brand forum make it readable on an iPhone.  I haven't tried it though.

I'll look for it.  On the iPad it is issues posting.  I lose the cursor and the touch pad doesn't work well. Sometimes have To hit reply a couple of times.  If you see a post of mine that stops in the middle of a sentence that is why. 

[clistensprechen]

The problem is not Obama or Romney, the Democrats or Republicans.
The problem is that we have a Congress and Senate composed of people who sold their soul to corporations to get elected.
We have people running the country only concerned about satisfying their corporate masters and the people have all become expendable.
Plato identified the problem 2400 years ago when he said: "Virtue and greed is inversely proportional"!
A Capitalist system is a system based on greed and a capitalist nation is a nation without virtue.

We are looking at all the menacing trees our corporate news media warn us about and have lost sight of life and what is of real value.
We are manipulated by people such as Brothers Kooch that see power and wealth as the only human virtue.
We are ruled by those that see compassion and empathy as human weaknesses, sociopaths every one of them.
These people might be well advised to listen to what Egyptians said about 6000 years ago: "If there is an afterlife will you spend it avoiding those you have wronged in this life?"

:applause:
Well said, well said! Hear, hear!

[Woody]

I am seriously not trying to insult anybody but I am very curious as to why people who decry capitalism as the bane (ha ha) of society, and who's lives are enriched by that capitalist society that is based on individual choice and freedom choose to remain here. 

[clistensprechen]

No Coleman; we are ruled by corporations.

Welcome Gnosisquest!  Like mister Coleman said, we welcome opposite minded individuals.

Now, please name one corporation that forces you to buy their product or pay them anything.

Microsoft.

[Gnosisquest]

The problem is not Obama or Romney, the Democrats or Republicans.
The problem is that we have a Congress and Senate composed of people who sold their soul to corporations to get elected.
We have people running the country only concerned about satisfying their corporate masters and the people have all become expendable.
Plato identified the problem 2400 years ago when he said: "Virtue and greed is inversely proportional"!
A Capitalist system is a system based on greed and a capitalist nation is a nation without virtue.

We are looking at all the menacing trees our corporate news media warn us about and have lost sight of life and what is of real value.
We are manipulated by people such as Brothers Kooch that see power and wealth as the only human virtue.
We are ruled by those that see compassion and empathy as human weaknesses, sociopaths every one of them.
These people might be well advised to listen to what Egyptians said about 6000 years ago: "If there is an afterlife will you spend it avoiding those you have wronged in this life?"

:applause:
Well said, well said! Hear, hear!

Thank you Clara:
Now I do not understand which part of that was so difficult for others to understand.
(Then I never could understand the mind of someone who cared more for the content of his wallet than the needs of a child or fellow citizen.)
There is no reason we can't provide for everyone and if someone wants proof of how idiotic our system is or how much more we have to pay just because people in the Government work for corporations all they need to look at is our medicare system or health care in general.

We are all in this together, if we work together we can all live good but if we do not cooperate it becomes a toil for us all.

[clistensprechen]

No Coleman; we are ruled by corporations.

Welcome Gnosisquest!  Like mister Coleman said, we welcome opposite minded individuals.

Now, please name one corporation that forces you to buy their product or pay them anything.

Well, let's be fair!  In my case, Commonwealth Edison [a division of Exelon] and Peoples Gas come immediately to mind.

Ah, yes--the Utilities sector of the Dow Jones indexes...along with Transportation, much neglected as focus is totally on the Industrials.  I do pay attention, though, and know that when it comes to fascism, Enron needs to be resurrected now and then.

[clistensprechen]

The problem is not Obama or Romney, the Democrats or Republicans.
The problem is that we have a Congress and Senate composed of people who sold their soul to corporations to get elected.
We have people running the country only concerned about satisfying their corporate masters and the people have all become expendable.
Plato identified the problem 2400 years ago when he said: "Virtue and greed is inversely proportional"!
A Capitalist system is a system based on greed and a capitalist nation is a nation without virtue.

We are looking at all the menacing trees our corporate news media warn us about and have lost sight of life and what is of real value.
We are manipulated by people such as Brothers Kooch that see power and wealth as the only human virtue.
We are ruled by those that see compassion and empathy as human weaknesses, sociopaths every one of them.
These people might be well advised to listen to what Egyptians said about 6000 years ago: "If there is an afterlife will you spend it avoiding those you have wronged in this life?"

:applause:
Well said, well said! Hear, hear!

Thank you Clara:
Now I do not understand which part of that was so difficult for others to understand.
(Then I never could understand the mind of someone who cared more for the content of his wallet than the needs of a child or fellow citizen.)
There is no reason we can't provide for everyone and if someone wants proof of how idiotic our system is or how much more we have to pay just because people in the Government work for corporations all they need to look at is our medicare system or health care in general.

We are all in this together, if we work together we can all live good but if we do not cooperate it becomes a toil for us all.

Very true. What's hard for cons to understand are your statements about corporations that amount to apostasy among economic religious circles.  What made Bernie Madoff's scam such a success is the economic religion. First one must recognize that much of what cons believe regarding economics is based more on faith in a theoretical system than based on hard facts.

[Gnosisquest]

I am seriously not trying to insult anybody but I am very curious as to why people who decry capitalism as the bane (ha ha) of society, and who's lives are enriched by that capitalist society that is based on individual choice and freedom choose to remain here.

I do not decry Capitalism only Capitalism run wild!
Countries such as Norway who practice what they refer to as social capitalism where corporations have rules do extremely well. Most people in the country could care less about a huge bank account, they work for a LIVING wage, take their paid vacations and live.
If someone wants to accumulate a lot of wealth fine but that is not the most important aspect of life.

When people in Government have to sell their allegiance to corporate interests to have any chance of being elected we have capitalism run wild!

[Woody]

I am seriously not trying to insult anybody but I am very curious as to why people who decry capitalism as the bane (ha ha) of society, and who's lives are enriched by that capitalist society that is based on individual choice and freedom choose to remain here.

I do not decry Capitalism only Capitalism run wild!
Countries such as Norway who practice what they refer to as social capitalism where corporations have rules do extremely well. Most people in the country could care less about a huge bank account, they work for a LIVING wage, take their paid vacations and live.
If someone wants to accumulate a lot of wealth fine but that is not the most important aspect of life.

When people in Government have to sell their allegiance to corporate interests to have any chance of being elected we have capitalism run wild!

Dude, you made no such distinction in the opening post.  See:

A Capitalist system is a system based on greed and a capitalist nation is a nation without virtue.

So tell me, since you are now telling me that capitalism is ok and a capitalist nation does have virtue stop speaking in generalities and get down to details.  The problem with the OWS movement was tat they had no details. 

What type of regulation would you like to see where we remain a capitalist nation?

[Gnosisquest]

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A Capitalist system is a system based on greed and a capitalist nation is a nation without virtue.

So tell me, since you are now telling me that capitalism is ok and a capitalist nation does have virtue stop speaking in generalities and get down to details.  The problem with the OWS movement was tat they had no details. 

What type of regulation would you like to see where we remain a capitalist nation?

The first and most important thing is to get capitalists out of Washington.
Any person serving the people should be amply rewarded by doing for others and their salaries should be tied to the average in the nation.
Furthermore these people should not be allowed possessions beyond one home. No stocks etc.

Capitalism works only as one of the aspects of society, it never works when national leaders are also capitalists.

[clistensprechen]

I am seriously not trying to insult anybody but I am very curious as to why people who decry capitalism as the bane (ha ha) of society, and who's lives are enriched by that capitalist society that is based on individual choice and freedom choose to remain here.

I do not decry Capitalism only Capitalism run wild!
Countries such as Norway who practice what they refer to as social capitalism where corporations have rules do extremely well. Most people in the country could care less about a huge bank account, they work for a LIVING wage, take their paid vacations and live.
If someone wants to accumulate a lot of wealth fine but that is not the most important aspect of life.

When people in Government have to sell their allegiance to corporate interests to have any chance of being elected we have capitalism run wild!

Dude, you made no such distinction in the opening post.  See:

A Capitalist system is a system based on greed and a capitalist nation is a nation without virtue.

So tell me, since you are now telling me that capitalism is ok and a capitalist nation does have virtue stop speaking in generalities and get down to details.  The problem with the OWS movement was tat they had no details. 

What type of regulation would you like to see where we remain a capitalist nation?

Any and all regulations that force its capitalists to quit being so dependent on China's communism.

[donni]

hey Gnosisquest, i think we'll get along. welcome.

[Gnosisquest]

hey Gnosisquest, i think we'll get along. welcome.

Thank you Donni  :cheers:

[kentay]

The problem is not Obama or Romney, the Democrats or Republicans.
The problem is that we have a Congress and Senate composed of people who sold their soul to corporations to get elected.
We have people running the country only concerned about satisfying their corporate masters and the people have all become expendable.
Plato identified the problem 2400 years ago when he said: "Virtue and greed is inversely proportional"!
A Capitalist system is a system based on greed and a capitalist nation is a nation without virtue.

We are looking at all the menacing trees our corporate news media warn us about and have lost sight of life and what is of real value.
We are manipulated by people such as Brothers Kooch that see power and wealth as the only human virtue.
We are ruled by those that see compassion and empathy as human weaknesses, sociopaths every one of them.
These people might be well advised to listen to what Egyptians said about 6000 years ago: "If there is an afterlife will you spend it avoiding those you have wronged in this life?"

Welcome Gnosisquest. Kentay

[Ted S]

Now, please name one corporation that forces you to buy their product or pay them anything.

Microsoft.

Really?  Somebody from Microsoft came to your house, held a gun to your head, and made you purchase Windows 95?  Wow, those dirty sons-a-guns.

Come on, Microsoft never forced you or anyone else to to buy their stuff.  You have other options.  Apple, Linux, Unix, etc.  And let's not forget that you are perfectly free to start your own software company and run MS out of business by providing a better product for a better price.  You shouldn't have any problem luring employees away from the evil Microsoft empire because you will be paying living wages and your executives won't be overpaid tyrants.