Public shadow boxing; step right up!

[Gnosisquest]

The problems in the US and world are real enough but people are being mislead fighting shadows.
It is not the Republican philosophies that do not work or the Democratic solutions which are bad; booth are nothing but a smokescreen!

In order to create a working society which benefit the entire human race, which I believe is what all but sociopaths desire, some ground rules would have to be enforced. A society depends on everyone working together and not some us against them. Hence I would like to propose a few ground rules:

1.) All essential services in society under full Government control. This would include but not be limited to: Military, Police, Fire, Ambulance, Medical, Education.

2.) No election ad's without a rebuttal from the opposing side. No private financing of elections.

3.) Control of finances and taxation, also progressive income tax on net earnings that see 99% taxes on everything in excess of ten times the national average.

4.) Salaries of all elected officials capped at twice the national average.

5.) No religious organization to be tax exempt if involved in for-profit business.

6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.

7.) ?

[Ted S]

1.) All essential services in society under full Government control. This would include but not be limited to: Military, Police, Fire, Ambulance, Medical, Education.

This should be a fun thread if we can stay on topic.

Would this also include essential goods such as: food, clothing, housing, transportation, communications (phone, internet)?

[Ted S]

6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.

No teaching where?  Could a parent instill a belief in faith in his or her own child or would that be a violation of your rule?

Also, there's no evidence that religious doctrine is malarkey either.  I don't believe science can adequately explain how the universe began.

[Gnosisquest]

1.) All essential services in society under full Government control. This would include but not be limited to: Military, Police, Fire, Ambulance, Medical, Education.

This should be a fun thread if we can stay on topic.

Would this also include essential goods such as: food, clothing, housing, transportation, communications (phone, internet)?

No, the areas you mentioned would however be regulated insuring no formation of monopolies. When it comes to food heavy control ensuring the foods safety.

6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.

No teaching where?  Could a parent instill a belief in faith in his or her own child or would that be a violation of your rule?

Also, there's no evidence that religious doctrine is malarkey either.  I don't believe science can adequately explain how the universe began.

No teaching in Church or any other public facility.  The fact science does not adequately explain how the universe began to you means there are things to learn, not that superstition is an adequate explanation.

[Ted S]

We need a couple definitions: Public and monopoly.

Are public facilities only those wholly owned by taxpayers or is Applebee's for instance a public facility because they serve the public?

What is the criteria for determining whether something is a monopoly?  Market share?

[Gnosisquest]

We need a couple definitions: Public and monopoly.

Are public facilities only those wholly owned by taxpayers or is Applebee's for instance a public facility because they serve the public?

What is the criteria for determining whether something is a monopoly?  Market share?

Public would be owned by the public or tax payer.
In a case such as medical it would not eliminate institutions from entering the field as private. For example a publicly owned facility may have exceedingly long waiting time for non-essential services. Other private facilities could serve the very rich who are too good to be among commoners but they would have to bear the difference between the costs in a public hospital and the private institution.

The Dictionary.com definition of Monopoly serves well: "Exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices."

[Ted S]

The Dictionary.com definition of Monopoly serves well: "Exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices."

Okay, so if you had a company that invented a great new product, like a smoke detector for instance, and wanted to sell it for cost because they wanted to do something good for mankind, in your world they would be broken-up because their very low price would cause them to control that market.

[Ted S]

Other private facilities could serve the very rich who are too good to be among commoners...

Come on now, lets be fair about this.  The very rich would use the private health care system not because they are better than everybody else, they would use it because they could afford to and why would they choose to suffer some ailment longer than they had to?

I think we should try to keep emotion based rhetoric out of this discussion.

[Ted S]

Also, wouldn't it be better for average people if the rich went to private health care facilities rather than place extra burden public health care system?

[Gnosisquest]

The Dictionary.com definition of Monopoly serves well: "Exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices."

Okay, so if you had a company that invented a great new product, like a smoke detector for instance, and wanted to sell it for cost because they wanted to do something good for mankind, in your world they would be broken-up because their very low price would cause them to control that market.

In such special cases you would have to have special rules set up. I have not spent enough time on this to have ironed out every detail but in a case such as this the protection of the public would be most important. Any excessive market share due to superior quality and lower cost is not manipulation of the market. In fact; it could well be encouraged as it is a key to innovation.

Also, wouldn't it be better for average people if the rich went to private health care facilities rather than place extra burden public health care system?

Perhaps, there is also the added incentive for private facilities to excel which may help advance medicine although research in hearth disease in Canada and Cancer research in Europe tend to belie that notion.

[RWE]

5.) No religious organization to be tax exempt if involved in for-profit business.

6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.

No teaching in Church or any other public facility.

So you would allow churches to exist, but they couldn't be used as a church.

The problems in the US and world are...In order to create a working society which benefit the entire human race,

Your plan is to solve the problems of the "world" to the benefit of the "entire human race." Can you really imagine that the religious people around the world are going to accept your vision without a fight? Are you prepared for the World War you would start? The Muslim world is becoming less secular everyday and they are doing so by force of arms.

[Ted S]

In such special cases you would have to have special rules set up.

Now I think we are starting to get in trouble.  Who gets to decide which monopolies are favored and allowed to survive and which are broken up?  How is it decided?  If it is the government, the decisions will in most cases be political.  Is that a good way to run a society?

[Gnosisquest]

5.) No religious organization to be tax exempt if involved in for-profit business.

6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.

No teaching in Church or any other public facility.

So you would allow churches to exist, but they couldn't be used as a church.

The problems in the US and world are...In order to create a working society which benefit the entire human race,

Your plan is to solve the problems of the "world" to the benefit of the "entire human race." Can you really imagine that the religious people around the world are going to accept your vision without a fight? Are you prepared for the World War you would start? The Muslim world is becoming less secular everyday and they are doing so by force of arms.

Nice of you to demonstrate the right wing tendency to distort what people say by editing a quote!
I said no teaching in any church or public facility any of their doctrine as fact. That does not mean they could not use the church for meetings and the teaching of their brand of superstition.

I do expect these Churches would just roll over and be happy to comply in order to exist. I would love to see them attempt to explain away how they have anything of value since they depend on Judaism for their existence. Judaism was created during the Seleucid period in history. In order for the people of the Jerusalem area to practice their cult rituals they had to demonstrate they were an old religion. To do so they employed the library at Alexandria, borrowing material from Berossus, Manetho, Greeks, Hittites etc. I fear none of the religious denomination desire aa full disclosure of the facts in regard to their Bible/Koran so that is not an issue.

[RWE]

I do expect these Churches would just roll over and be happy to comply in order to exist.

Get a clue! You are outnumbered. Maybe you'll be allowed to exist if you comply.

[Gnosisquest]

In such special cases you would have to have special rules set up.

Now I think we are starting to get in trouble.  Who gets to decide which monopolies are favored and allowed to survive and which are broken up?  How is it decided?  If it is the government, the decisions will in most cases be political.  Is that a good way to run a society?

No trouble; manufacturing is one thing, distribution is another. Manufacturers would not have their own distribution centers.