So, ARE You Better Off than You Were Four Years Ago?

[wbcoleman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDEDvH_bHms&feature=youtu.be

[kentay]

ARE You Better Off than You Were Four Years Ago?

Yes, WBC  I am and I am so thankful for President Obama leadership  of creating more jobs in less than 4 years than W. Bush did in 8 years. Sept 2, 2008 we were losing 800, 000 Jobs a month, banks were failing and we were headed for another Hover Republican Depression. President Obama is turn the Housing around that the Bush crony capitalist that caused our depression because of deregulation and putting horse men like Brownie in charge, You know that famous Bush quote "you're doing a heck of a job Brownies" as we watched on TV in 2005,  the drowning of thousands of people of color. Osama ben Laden is dead something the BA had been trying to do for the last 8 year. And I am really Proud to know that our Auto Industry is back and many workers are thanking President Obama. Because they know that Romney would have killed their auto jobs just like he tried to do on the housing Industry by saying he let them all go bankrupt and the Investors could buy them at a low price and rent them back to the owners, gee what a compassionate conservative he not. I could go on and on about how exciting it is to have a honest president who concern is the Middle Class and poor instead of greed money and war. Remember next year we will be out of the last war the Bush administration started and didn't pay for. He also got us out of the Iraq lying war the BA started and didn't pay for ether. I am thankful for President Obama and I am looking forward to his next 4 years and the corrections he makes on the left over Bush deregulation and other bills. Maybe even a Supreme Court Justice or two God willing. Thanks For asking the question because I was about to post all the things President Obama has accomplished in less than 4 years, more to come later.    kentay

 :applause:

[Woody]

Oh jeez, these claimed Eastwood was an embarrassment.  Kentay makes scooby doo and shaggy look like certified geniuses.  Kentay, we were not losing 800,000 a month.  The month Obama took office was particularly bad.  Obama is still a net down a couple million.  GDP growth is next to nothing.  Income is down, resulting in lower tax revenue.  Businesses large and small are afraid to risk expansion because of the incredible tax increases and fees scheduled for Jan 1st.  Even the almighty CBO says that will more than likely lead to a deep recession.  the Iraq war?  Sure, credit him for following the bush plan.  As far as bin laden all Obama did was make the only decision he had.  Not really that difficult dude.  The public would have figuratively stung him up if he choose not to. 


Kentay was part of the LSD time period.  He must have some left over.

[clistensprechen]

Well, let's see...

1) The Dow is WAY up compared to what it was 4 years ago, as 4 years ago it was in a nosedive and everybody was clammoring for President Elect Obama to take over before inauguration...to which he responded that this nation has only one president at a time. Dubya and his Party bailed out on the country before the term was up.

2) 4 years ago we were hemorrhaging jobs including the automotive jobs. Today we're gaining jobs AND we're gaining unemployed troops recently brought home from abroad, so the unemployment rate is nothing to go by.  Automotive jobs were saved and although new jobs haven't kept up with the influx of unemployed veterans, and the loss of government jobs at the behest of the conservatives, we're adding jobs, not hemorrhaging jobs like we were 4 years ago.

So yeah--the nation IS better off than it was 4 years ago.

[kentay]

Oh jeez, these claimed Eastwood was an embarrassment.  Kentay makes scooby doo and shaggy look like certified geniuses.  Kentay, we were not losing 800,000 a month.  The month Obama took office was particularly bad.  Obama is still a net down a couple million.  GDP growth is next to nothing.  Income is down, resulting in lower tax revenue.  Businesses large and small are afraid to risk expansion because of the incredible tax increases and fees scheduled for Jan 1st.  Even the almighty CBO says that will more than likely lead to a deep recession.  the Iraq war?  Sure, credit him for following the bush plan.  As far as bin laden all Obama did was make the only decision he had.  Not really that difficult dude.  The public would have figuratively stung him up if he choose not to. 


Kentay was part of the LSD time period.  He must have some left over.

According to the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), the U.S. economy was in a
recession for 18 months from December 2007 to June 2009. It was the longest and deepest
recession of the post-World War II era. The recession can be separated into two distinct phases.
During the first phase, which lasted for the first half of 2008, the recession was not deep as
measured by the decline in gross domestic product (GDP) or the rise in unemployment. It then
deepened from the third quarter of 2008 to the first quarter of 2009. The economy continued to
contract slightly in the second quarter of 2009, before returning to expansion in the third quarter.
The recent recession features the largest decline in output, consumption, and investment, and the
largest increase in unemployment, of any post-war recession.


2008-2009 Recession
On October 9, 2007, the Dow closed at 14,164.43, an all-time high. However, fourth quarter GDP growth was -1%, announcing the start of the recession.(It was later re-estimated at 2.9%) The Dow started declining gradually. After the failure of Bear Stearns in April 2008, and a negative GDP report in Q2 2008, the Dow dropped to 11,000. Many analysts felt that this 20% decline was the market bottom.
However, on Monday, September 15, 2008, Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy. On Wednesday, panicky bankers withdrew $144 billion from money market funds, nearly causing a collapse. In response, the Dow plummeted 13% in October. By November 20, 2008, it fell to 7,552.29, a new low. This was not yet the true market bottom. The Dow climbed to 9,034.69 on January 2, 2009 before screeching down to 6,594.44 on March 5, 2009. Between its peak and its bottom, the Dow dropped over 50% in just 17 months.

[Woody]

There ya have it folks.  The Obamabots will try and convince us that all is sunshine and lollipops.  Good luck with that. :mooner:

[clistensprechen]

It's not all sunshine and lollipops, but it's still way better than 4 years ago.

[Woody]

Clara, don't try and convince me.  It is the American public you have to convince.  Tell them how good things are now. So put your money where your mouths and go to high unemployment states, states with high foreclosure rates, and pales where gas is nearing 4 dollars a gallon and tell THEM HOW MUCH BETTER THINGS ARE.


Got to western PA, southern Ohio, and WV and tell the coal miners that Obama may be putting out of work how jolly things are.  Don't waste your talents and arguments here.  Go convince the coal miners union that isn't endorsing or sending money to Obama no good things are.


Unemployment is higher, real estate is worse, manufacturing is down and GDP in at a virtual standstill and this Obamabot is blissfully unaware.

[wbcoleman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDEDvH_bHms&feature=youtu.be

What did any of you think of Axelrod's performance?  I thought it was right up there with Clint.  Made my day.

[clistensprechen]

Clara, don't try and convince me.  It is the American public you have to convince.  Tell them how good things are now. So put your money where your mouths and go to high unemployment states, states with high foreclosure rates, and pales where gas is nearing 4 dollars a gallon and tell THEM HOW MUCH BETTER THINGS ARE.

I'll remind them of how things were as bad as they were 4 years ago, but I'm sure they remember that rather indelibly--it was a huge shock Dubya put the nation through as it is. What needs to be frequently mentioned is that no President has control over gas prices and the people to get angry with about gas prices is the so-called "free market, which is now global in scope, and in mentioning that, also mention that more drilling here will send OUR oil resources to other countries by that same global market and more drilling will not impact the price of gas either--only more local refineries will do that.

Foreclosure rates are the result of too-big-to-fail predatory banks coupled with the failure of "job creators" to keep the middle class in the jobs they used to have...you know, the jobs lost under Dubya and even with the tax cuts Dubya gave these "job creators". We're a decade under tax cuts for "job creators" and we still don't see the jobs.  Governments don't create private sector jobs--"job creators" do and they've failed even with tax breaks. That's not a difficult argument to make, mainly because of the truth of it.

Got to western PA, southern Ohio, and WV and tell the coal miners that Obama may be putting out of work how jolly things are.  Don't waste your talents and arguments here.  Go convince the coal miners union that isn't endorsing or sending money to Obama no good things are.

Under Republican administrations, coal miners die due to lack of regulation enforcement, thus creating widows and children dependency on the government for welfare. You can't earn a paycheck when you're dead.

Unemployment is higher, real estate is worse, manufacturing is down and GDP in at a virtual standstill and this Obamabot is blissfully unaware.

Unless banks write down debt as losses instead of assets, real estate will always be the case no matter who is president and even in the absence of Fannie and Freddie, both of which followed banker advice when they did what they did, and I now draw your attention to the Home Ownership platform in the current GOP Platform document. When in power, they'll do it all over again.

[kentay]

2008-2009 Recession
On October 9, 2007, the Dow closed at 14,164.43, an all-time high. However, fourth quarter GDP growth was -1%, announcing the start of the recession.(It was later re-estimated at 2.9%) The Dow started declining gradually. After the failure of Bear Stearns in April 2008, and a negative GDP report in Q2 2008, the Dow dropped to 11,000. Many analysts felt that this 20% decline was the market bottom.

However, on Monday, September 15, 2008, Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy. On Wednesday, panicky bankers withdrew $144 billion from money market funds, nearly causing a collapse. In response, the Dow plummeted 13% in October. By November 20, 2008, it fell to 7,552.29, a new low. This was not yet the true market bottom. The Dow climbed to 9,034.69 on January 2, 2009 before screeching down to 6,594.44 on March 5, 2009. Between its peak and its bottom, the Dow dropped over 50% in just 17 months.

[clistensprechen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDEDvH_bHms&feature=youtu.be

What did any of you think of Axelrod's performance?  I thought it was right up there with Clint.  Made my day.

He said what I've been saying so yeah--he was brilliant.

 :applause:

[wbcoleman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDEDvH_bHms&feature=youtu.be

What did any of you think of Axelrod's performance?  I thought it was right up there with Clint.  Made my day.

He said what I've been saying so yeah--he was brilliant.

Can you summarize Ax's remarks?  Since he's channeling you, that should be easy!

[kentay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDEDvH_bHms&feature=youtu.be

What did any of you think of Axelrod's performance?  I thought it was right up there with Clint.  Made my day.

He said what I've been saying so yeah--he was brilliant.

Can you summarize Ax's remarks?  Since he's channeling you, that should be easy!

Can You just once ask a direct question in your own words instead of asking her to channel Ax's remarks. I saw it to and he was great he was on two shows this morning.  You never post anything but one liners. kentay

[clistensprechen]

kentay wins this round because, as I said, I just posted the stuff Axelrod plus others he didn't mention. You can read English, wbcoleman, and I just outdid Axelrod in this thread alone.