kentay wins this round because, as I said, I just posted the stuff Axelrod plus others he didn't mention. You can read English, wbcoleman, and I just outdid Axelrod in this thread alone.
Putting kentay's hypocritical comments aside, I would summarize Ax as saying, "Hell no, of course not, BUT IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT."
Well, he's only half correct. It IS all Bush's fault but it's ALSO the fault of the Party whose rubber stamp he was. We're talking not only Dubya but Dubya's Party, as in The Architect (who hasn't gone away) and Tricky Dicky Cheney. Et al. Even Ashcroft didn't want to play that game for very long.
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