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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2012, 12:47:00 pm »
Everybody buying a retirement portfolio package invests in 'em, hon. It's not like they have a choice when it's the investment firm that puts 'em into the portfolio. You've been PWNED. :P

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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2012, 12:49:09 pm »
Bain snookered a lot of people, didn't they. Are any of those running for President, though?

Snookered?  SNOOKERED??  What the hell are you talking about, snookers?   :dunno:

I'm talking about how all of those on the list are retirement FUND PACKAGES, of which Bain is not the ONLY stock in the bundles.

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...and those packages were handled by a financial institution such as Edward Jones, Fidelity Funds, Vanguard, Franklin Templeton, etc. who chose the individual companies in any given portfolio that they sell. People who are against big oil still wind up with shares in big oil anyway when buying such packages.

Wait a minute.  You're trying to tell us that statewide public worker retirement and pension funds were "tricked" into investing with Bain Capital by a gaggle of retail brokerage firms like edward Jones?  Are you serious??
You clearly didn't read what I said. Read it again.

I read it again.  Are you serious??
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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2012, 12:50:30 pm »
Everybody buying a retirement portfolio package invests in 'em, hon. It's not like they have a choice when it's the investment firm that puts 'em into the portfolio. You've been PWNED. :P

Excuse me, you obviously have no idea whatsoever how statewide public employee pension and retirement funds operate.
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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2012, 12:51:11 pm »
I'm serious about what I wrote. Of course. Looks to me like you're fabricating something if you stick by what YOU wrote.


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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2012, 12:53:36 pm »
Everybody buying a retirement portfolio package invests in 'em, hon. It's not like they have a choice when it's the investment firm that puts 'em into the portfolio. You've been PWNED. :P

Excuse me, you obviously have no idea whatsoever how statewide public employee pension and retirement funds operate.
I know how retirement funds in general operate.


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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2012, 01:03:11 pm »
Everybody buying a retirement portfolio package invests in 'em, hon. It's not like they have a choice when it's the investment firm that puts 'em into the portfolio. You've been PWNED. :P

Excuse me, you obviously have no idea whatsoever how statewide public employee pension and retirement funds operate.
I know how retirement funds in general operate.

If so, then you are deliberately misrepresenting how the massive funds on the Bain Capital client list operate in order to try and make a propaganda point.  I prefer to believe that you are operating from ignorance.  These funds do NOT "buy packages" from retail brokers.

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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2012, 02:20:19 pm »
Hey, kentay, when you're trying to divert, and change the subject, why are you ashamed to label your agitprop with a link to the source at "thinkprogress"?

So how many Democratic and other left beneficiaries have benefitted from entrusting their funds to Bain Capital?

Here is an update, just a couple of hours ago. I know how interested you're in getting the news on something you are interested in. kentay


Bain Capital among buyout firms probed in NY over tax liability
By BLOOMBERG NEWS on September 2, 2012

Bain Capital LLC and Apollo Global Management LLC are among private-equity firms subpoenaed by New York's attorney general in an investigation into whether they are depriving the state of tax revenue, according to two people familiar with the matter.

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is probing a practice that reduces tax liability of the buyout firms by converting management fees paid by their investors into fund investments, which are taxed at a lower rate, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the investigation hasn't been disclosed publicly.

At least a dozen firms were subpoenaed in July, one of the people said. Other firms that received subpoenas include KKR & Co., TPG Capital, Silver Lake and Providence Equity Partners Inc.

The investigation is being conducted by Schneiderman's taxpayer protection bureau, the New York Times reported yesterday. Michelle Duffy, a spokeswoman for Schneiderman, declined to comment on the investigation.

Charles Zehren, a spokesman for Apollo at Howard J. Rubenstein Associates; Kristi Huller, a spokeswoman for KKR; Owen Blicksilver, a spokesman for TPG at Owen Blicksilver Public Relations Inc.; Gemma Hart, a spokeswoman for Silver Lake at Brunswick Group Inc.; and Jonathan Doorley, a spokesman for Providence Equity at Sard Verbinnen & Co., declined to comment. Alex Stanton, a spokesman for Bain at Stanton Public Relations & Marketing, didn't immediately respond to an e-mail yesterday seeking comment.

Carried Interest Private-equity firms raise money from investors such as pension funds and endowments and combine it with loans to acquire companies. Their goal is to improve performance, sometimes by cutting jobs, and sell the companies for a profit within about five years.

The firms collect management fees from investors, usually about 2 percent of assets, and take a cut of investment profits, known as carried interest, that averages about 20 percent.

At issue in the New York investigation is that some firms convert the fees, which are taxed as ordinary income at rates as high as 35 percent, into a stake in a fund whose carried interest is taxed as capital gains at 15 percent, said the person.

By deferring the receipt of fees, buyout firms get a second benefit by deferring the tax. While the partners are well- positioned to know what investments may be winners, the waiver is irrevocable, meaning the fees disappear if the deals don't generate profit.

The tactic hasn't been deemed a violation of federal tax laws.

Bain Fund Bain Capital Fund VII LP disclosed in a 2009 report that the general partner in the fund had in the past waived management fees and converted those fees into an interest in the fund called a "priority profit share." Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, invested in some Bain funds that employed the fee-conversion strategy. Romney, who co-founded Bain in 1984, was able to put money into the funds after he left in 1999 to oversee the Salt Lake City Olympics and later serve as governor of Massachusetts.

http://newyork.newsday.com/business/bain-capital-among-buyout-firms-probed-in-ny-over-tax-liability-1.3945927
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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2012, 02:24:44 pm »
So kentay, do you know who Jonathan Levine is?
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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2012, 04:07:50 pm »
Here is an update, just a couple of hours ago. I know how interested you're in getting the news on something you are interested in. kentay

So how many Democratic and other left beneficiaries HAVE benefitted from entrusting their funds to Bain Capital?
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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2012, 03:21:50 am »
National Review reports that the happy left-wing investors in Bain Capital include The Oprah Winfrey Foundation.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/315709/obama-s-base-banks-bain-deroy-murdock
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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2012, 08:08:05 am »

Did Bain Capital Execs Break The Law Using A Common Tax Avoidance Strategy?

Brian Beutler-September 3, 2012, 4:00 PM



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Re: Look Who Parks Their Cash at Bain
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2012, 10:39:03 am »
Wow, more agitprop from tpm.  Awesome!  But, you know, the thing is that none of these pension funds or liberal foundations give a damn about any of that.  They are all looking at the rate of return which Bain generates on their investments, and they like it!
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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2012, 11:47:18 am »
On Nov 6 we shall know the trurth the people will determine who right and who lied, I trust the American People. kentay
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2012, 07:09:48 pm »
On Nov 6 we shall know the trurth the people will determine who right and who lied, I trust the American People. kentay

That's cool; me, too; but it has nothing to do with the fact that liberal foundations LOVE doing business with Bain Capital.
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