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Offline donni

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Feminism
« on: July 24, 2012, 02:06:29 pm »
i have (in the last 10 years or so now) been arguing the feminist movement wasn't successful because well, number one we have NOT achieved equality yet in the workplace or much other place for that matter. but also because it actually made us slaves right alongside of our husbands. i always get booed by the female crowd of which i belong-they think they have achieved much. i say we achieved nothing but the right to jump into the rat race with all the other rats. but here someone has articulated what i have thought very well-don't know who  the author was-found it on ad busters-

 "Feminism isn't quite the success that it's touted, especially in the sense that the author suggests, with the complete acquiescence of women to the patriarchal, corporate consumerist model.

Women may have achieved the vote, but how much does the vote matter, since throughout history, voting has been an illusory ploy to keep the rabble in line, and the masses subservient to the elite and rich? The vote, itself is a joke, since it's a token at best. A con at worst.

Women may be now working in previously male dominated fields, but it's not an achievement, if it advances society in the wrong direction, towards shallow consumerism and capitalism, and families forced to pull in two incomes, versus the one income that was sufficient during the 50's and 60's.

Women may have achieved the ability to go to war and serve in the military, but it's a non-achievement since the goal of murdering other human beings for the state and for profit, is against women's interests as well as morally unjustifiable.

Feminism, post mid 20th century achieved very little, except to serve the shallow egos of people like Steinhem and Co.; who wanted to mingle with the rich and famous, and lecture other white, middle class women on how to compete with men, in an iniquitous society that they had no intention of reforming. They just wanted a bigger slice of the pie for themselves.

What has conforming to the white, male dominated, war ridden, corrupt and amoral world, achieved for the world's women? It's been against our own interests, and that of the entire human race, to try and emulate men, take on their values, consumption and corporate careers. We've been abandoning or tamping down our innate values, including empathy, compassion and cooperation, replacing them with male values and male characteristics like ambition, ruthlessness and domination, in order to jockey for perceived power within the corporate or political landscape. And by doing that, all we've done is hand men more power and legitimacy, much in the same way voting gives those in power legitimacy to carry on with their illegitimate and criminal acts, against the will of the majority.

If we ever want real reform, we all have to start non conforming.

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Re: Feminism
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 03:02:18 pm »
Donni,

It's hard to tell with posts like this whether the poster is the author of the words or the poster just pasted in the words of somebody else.

From this I gather you are a woman?  I wouldn't have guessed that from your earlier posts Donni.

The message seems to me that you expected that allowing women to vote would fundamentally change the nature mankind and because it didn't you're unhappy.

Was that a realistic expectation?  Specifically what did you expect would change?

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Re: Feminism
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 11:33:41 pm »
Being a woman myself I get what donni's saying. I also know why this is, and it has to do with the trophy wives who won't give up their pampered privileges for nothing n nobody, not even their sister woman.

As in Phyllis Schliaffley-ites. Those women religiously insist that their lot was determined by God to be the natural order of things, much like the religious right males who believe God has ordained for them to rule everybody else and prosper more than anybody else ergo it's God that made them the ruling elite.

It's all rubbish, but the powerful, whether male or female, have always been an obstacle to everyone else's progress.

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Re: Feminism
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 01:53:53 am »
Being a woman myself I get what donni's saying. I also know why this is, and it has to do with the trophy wives who won't give up their pampered privileges for nothing n nobody, not even their sister woman.

As in Phyllis Schliaffley-ites. Those women religiously insist that their lot was determined by God to be the natural order of things, much like the religious right males who believe God has ordained for them to rule everybody else and prosper more than anybody else ergo it's God that made them the ruling elite.

It's all rubbish, but the powerful, whether male or female, have always been an obstacle to everyone else's progress.

Aren't you and donni basically objecting that most people aren't leftists?
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 05:54:26 am »
Men have always controlled everything,
Everything whether good, bad or evil since the beginning of man, was started by and implemented by men regardless of skin color or religions. It's as if men have ignored women and have treated them as second class citizens no matter what religion or culture they live in. No persons or groups of persons is right all the time and if allowed to continue in our country will make more and more mistake. Because it will be slanted to benefit man and against anyone of different color, religion or women. Without both genders and people of color having their point of view expressed is the only way we can change our country and the world for the better. If only single thinking biased men stay in control they will continue to treat anyone different from them and we all will be treated as a second class persons and only used to service them and increased their own heirs. Instead of being a Democracy will have something like a two class society and they will be our king. This also applies to those who wrote our religious books were men not women and were and still are biased with mans best interest and their own manly mentality for active or inactive wars, controlling us with their faulty religious views I always thought that the USA was different and was slowly improving the rights, interest and authority of minority including those of different gender who are US citizen. Right now it looks like the men on the right are unwilling to share power with anyone and are surly arming themselves for a civil war that is sure to come as they wrap themselves in the American Flag under the false umbrella of religion dogma.   kentay

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Re: Feminism
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 02:49:52 pm »
Being a woman myself I get what donni's saying. I also know why this is, and it has to do with the trophy wives who won't give up their pampered privileges for nothing n nobody, not even their sister woman.

As in Phyllis Schliaffley-ites. Those women religiously insist that their lot was determined by God to be the natural order of things, much like the religious right males who believe God has ordained for them to rule everybody else and prosper more than anybody else ergo it's God that made them the ruling elite.

It's all rubbish, but the powerful, whether male or female, have always been an obstacle to everyone else's progress.

Aren't you and donni basically objecting that most people aren't leftists?
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 02:50:42 pm »
Men have always controlled everything,
Everything whether good, bad or evil since the beginning of man, was started by and implemented by men regardless of skin color or religions. It's as if men have ignored women and have treated them as second class citizens no matter what religion or culture they live in. No persons or groups of persons is right all the time and if allowed to continue in our country will make more and more mistake. Because it will be slanted to benefit man and against anyone of different color, religion or women. Without both genders and people of color having their point of view expressed is the only way we can change our country and the world for the better. If only single thinking biased men stay in control they will continue to treat anyone different from them and we all will be treated as a second class persons and only used to service them and increased their own heirs. Instead of being a Democracy will have something like a two class society and they will be our king. This also applies to those who wrote our religious books were men not women and were and still are biased with mans best interest and their own manly mentality for active or inactive wars, controlling us with their faulty religious views I always thought that the USA was different and was slowly improving the rights, interest and authority of minority including those of different gender who are US citizen. Right now it looks like the men on the right are unwilling to share power with anyone and are surly arming themselves for a civil war that is sure to come as they wrap themselves in the American Flag under the false umbrella of religion dogma.   kentay


QFT.

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Re: Feminism
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 03:26:46 pm »

Everything whether good, bad or evil since the beginning of man, was started by and implemented by men regardless of skin color or religions.  kentay


QFT.

QFT! Women have yet to start or implement anything good since the beginning of time. Maybe they should just stay home.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 04:19:59 pm »
Help, what does QFT mean. Kentay :)
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 04:27:31 pm »

Everything whether good, bad or evil since the beginning of man, was started by and implemented by men regardless of skin color or religions.  kentay


QFT.

QFT! Women have yet to start or implement anything good since the beginning of time. Maybe they should just stay home.

Since a Woman implemented you,  are you saying you're no good? kentay
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Re: Feminism
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 05:54:40 pm »

Everything whether good, bad or evil since the beginning of man, was started by and implemented by men regardless of skin color or religions.  kentay


QFT.

QFT! Women have yet to start or implement anything good since the beginning of time. Maybe they should just stay home.

Since a Woman implemented you,  are you saying you're no good? kentay
No, I'm quoting the stupid statement you made about women.
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Re: Feminism
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 06:07:45 pm »
Misplaced quote tag is now *FIXED*


Everything whether good, bad or evil since the beginning of man, was started by and implemented by men regardless of skin color or religions.  kentay


QFT.

QFT! Women have yet to start or implement anything good since the beginning of time. Maybe they should just stay home.

Nah. All they need to do is stay away from people with your opinion about women. ;)
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 06:18:45 pm »
"Nah. Allt hey need to do is stay away from people with your opinion about women. ;)"

You're the one that Quoted him For Truth.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 06:28:35 pm »
Help, what does QFT mean. Kentay :)
It means "Quoted For Truth" In this context, it means that I agree with every word that was quoted.

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 06:35:01 pm »
"Nah. Allt hey need to do is stay away from people with your opinion about women. ;)"

You're the one that Quoted him For Truth.

I know. The confusion was caused by a misplaced quote tag, which I just now fixed.