Is this wrong

[Don Houston]

Who cares where they come from?  The fact is that they are to high

[wbcoleman]

Who cares where they come from?  The fact is that they are to high

They are fake.  They have no economic basis.  They are one of the main reasons that the health care system is so screwed up, and they help explian why Obamacare would simply make things worse.

[clistensprechen]

kentay nailed it. But kentay also nailed my main problem with Obamacare. What needs to happen is justice be done to the medical extortionists who demand not only your money but your children's money as well because they hold your life in their hands.

That ****'s just gotta stop.

Medical billing is fakery forced by the government's destruction of the price mechanism in health care.

That's not even remotely or fractionally true.

It is totally true.  Do you actually believe that medical prices are the result of some private market mechanism??

No, but that's not the only other option out there. It's a rigged system whatever you call it and the government didn't rig it.

[clistensprechen]

Who cares where they come from?  The fact is that they are to high

Amen and a half to that.

[wbcoleman]

kentay nailed it. But kentay also nailed my main problem with Obamacare. What needs to happen is justice be done to the medical extortionists who demand not only your money but your children's money as well because they hold your life in their hands.

That ****'s just gotta stop.

Medical billing is fakery forced by the government's destruction of the price mechanism in health care.

That's not even remotely or fractionally true.

It is totally true.  Do you actually believe that medical prices are the result of some private market mechanism??

No, but that's not the only other option out there. It's a rigged system whatever you call it and the government didn't rig it.

Let me guess.  You think that private insurance rigs the prices, while the government is guided by economic reality?

[Don Houston]

Who cares where they come from?  The fact is that they are to high

They are fake.  They have no economic basis.  They are one of the main reasons that the health care system is so screwed up, and they help explian why Obamacare would simply make things worse.

OK I am not sure how universal health care would be worse than people not having health care.  I am willing to listen if you care to explain

[clistensprechen]

Don,

Give this some thought.  Compare the the trend line of prices in the most highly regulated industries to the trend line of prices in unregulated industries.

Highly regulated: Health care, banking, finance, housing, cell phone service providers, etc.

All industries necessarily domestic.

Unregulated: Computer hardware, consumer electronics, cell phone manufacturers, etc.

All industries that have been outsourced to avoid regulation, particularly of the hour/wage/safety/child labor variety.

Try again.

[wbcoleman]

Who cares where they come from?  The fact is that they are to high

They are fake.  They have no economic basis.  They are one of the main reasons that the health care system is so screwed up, and they help explian why Obamacare would simply make things worse.

OK I am not sure how universal health care would be worse than people not having health care.  I am willing to listen if you care to explain

Are we debating "universal health care" or are we debating "Obamacare"? 

[clistensprechen]

kentay nailed it. But kentay also nailed my main problem with Obamacare. What needs to happen is justice be done to the medical extortionists who demand not only your money but your children's money as well because they hold your life in their hands.

That ****'s just gotta stop.

Medical billing is fakery forced by the government's destruction of the price mechanism in health care.

That's not even remotely or fractionally true.

It is totally true.  Do you actually believe that medical prices are the result of some private market mechanism??

No, but that's not the only other option out there. It's a rigged system whatever you call it and the government didn't rig it.

Let me guess.  You think that private insurance rigs the prices, while the government is guided by economic reality?

Private insurance is a racket. Ever hear of "redlining"? The government doesn't do that. Ever hear of living in the wrong zip code to get good rates? The government didn't do that. Try again.

[clistensprechen]

Who cares where they come from?  The fact is that they are to high

They are fake.  They have no economic basis.  They are one of the main reasons that the health care system is so screwed up, and they help explian why Obamacare would simply make things worse.

OK I am not sure how universal health care would be worse than people not having health care.  I am willing to listen if you care to explain

Me too, but this should be quite creative as the current system is already a socialism system where the charges are based on ability to pay so that the well endowed insurance coverage is charged to cover ER expenses for treating the uninsured. This isn't a government transfer of wealth--it's your private free market system for ya.

[wbcoleman]

kentay nailed it. But kentay also nailed my main problem with Obamacare. What needs to happen is justice be done to the medical extortionists who demand not only your money but your children's money as well because they hold your life in their hands.

That ****'s just gotta stop.

Medical billing is fakery forced by the government's destruction of the price mechanism in health care.

That's not even remotely or fractionally true.

It is totally true.  Do you actually believe that medical prices are the result of some private market mechanism??

No, but that's not the only other option out there. It's a rigged system whatever you call it and the government didn't rig it.

Let me guess.  You think that private insurance rigs the prices, while the government is guided by economic reality?

Private insurance is a racket. Ever hear of "redlining"? The government doesn't do that. Ever hear of living in the wrong zip code to get good rates? The government didn't do that. Try again.

TRY AGAIN??  What are your comments about the mortgage market supposed to have to do with health care prices??

[clistensprechen]

kentay nailed it. But kentay also nailed my main problem with Obamacare. What needs to happen is justice be done to the medical extortionists who demand not only your money but your children's money as well because they hold your life in their hands.

That ****'s just gotta stop.

Medical billing is fakery forced by the government's destruction of the price mechanism in health care.

That's not even remotely or fractionally true.

It is totally true.  Do you actually believe that medical prices are the result of some private market mechanism??

The price of the medical is over rated.  I had to take a three mile ambulance ride.  I did not need oxygen or anything like that.  You know, that was the most expensive three mile trip I ever took.  I flew to my moms house cheaper and that was 2000 miles.

It's outrageous what they charge you with.

For a room they charged $399.00.  For a **** room?

Where do you suppose these absurd prices come from?  Do insurance companies actually pay them?  We know the government doesn't.

This falls under the category of a free market system's philosophy of charging what the market will bear.

[wbcoleman]

Who cares where they come from?  The fact is that they are to high

They are fake.  They have no economic basis.  They are one of the main reasons that the health care system is so screwed up, and they help explian why Obamacare would simply make things worse.

OK I am not sure how universal health care would be worse than people not having health care.  I am willing to listen if you care to explain

Me too, but this should be quite creative as the current system is already a socialism system where the charges are based on ability to pay so that the well endowed insurance coverage is charged to cover ER expenses for treating the uninsured. This isn't a government transfer of wealth--it's your private free market system for ya.

It is little BUT an organized transfer of wealth.  Private insurance patients are overcharged in order to subsidize both uninsured and Medicare/Medicaid patients.

[wbcoleman]

kentay nailed it. But kentay also nailed my main problem with Obamacare. What needs to happen is justice be done to the medical extortionists who demand not only your money but your children's money as well because they hold your life in their hands.

That ****'s just gotta stop.

Medical billing is fakery forced by the government's destruction of the price mechanism in health care.

That's not even remotely or fractionally true.

It is totally true.  Do you actually believe that medical prices are the result of some private market mechanism??

The price of the medical is over rated.  I had to take a three mile ambulance ride.  I did not need oxygen or anything like that.  You know, that was the most expensive three mile trip I ever took.  I flew to my moms house cheaper and that was 2000 miles.

It's outrageous what they charge you with.

For a room they charged $399.00.  For a **** room?

Where do you suppose these absurd prices come from?  Do insurance companies actually pay them?  We know the government doesn't.

This falls under the category of a free market system's philosophy of charging what the market will bear.

There is no "free market" pricing system in the health market.  You are simply spitting out slogans.

[clistensprechen]

kentay nailed it. But kentay also nailed my main problem with Obamacare. What needs to happen is justice be done to the medical extortionists who demand not only your money but your children's money as well because they hold your life in their hands.

That ****'s just gotta stop.

Medical billing is fakery forced by the government's destruction of the price mechanism in health care.

That's not even remotely or fractionally true.

It is totally true.  Do you actually believe that medical prices are the result of some private market mechanism??

No, but that's not the only other option out there. It's a rigged system whatever you call it and the government didn't rig it.

Let me guess.  You think that private insurance rigs the prices, while the government is guided by economic reality?

Private insurance is a racket. Ever hear of "redlining"? The government doesn't do that. Ever hear of living in the wrong zip code to get good rates? The government didn't do that. Try again.

TRY AGAIN??  What are your comments about the mortgage market supposed to have to do with health care prices??

I gave 2 examples of free market rigging the system, hon, related to any insurance. The zip code thing is what auto insurance does, not mortage enterprises.

You're trying to pretend that insurance **** don't stink, as in there's no such thing as a non-government entity rigging any market.  I gave you 2 glaring examples of industry rigging its market.  Take yer blinders off.