What Do Mitt's "Gaffes" All Have in Common? THEY'RE TRUE!

[Ted S]

Did you go to Public Schools? Kentay

I sure did, in the 60's and 70's, and they turned-out a leftist in me.  Like many, I was a leftist in my younger years but I had a truly open mind and when I started paying real attention to current events and politics, the leftist point-of-view started taking-on-water.  By time time I hit 40 I was a solid constitutional conservative or classical liberal.

Since I never went to any privately run schools I have no way of knowing whether my education would have been better there.  I do remember having an "ecology week" in junior high where normal classes were suspended and we all went to classes about the environment. I don't remember any "free market" week or anything like it.

The good news is I was eventually able to escape the liberal pap of those early years and go on to live life knowing that I was the primary driver of my own life.  I didn't just sit around waiting on the government to make my life wonderful.

[kentay]

Did you go to Public Schools? Kentay

I sure did, in the 60's and 70's, and they turned-out a leftist in me.  Like many, I was a leftist in my younger years but I had a truly open mind and when I started paying real attention to current events and politics, the leftist point-of-view started taking-on-water.  By time time I hit 40 I was a solid constitutional conservative or classical liberal.

Since I never went to any privately run schools I have no way of knowing whether my education would have been better there.  I do remember having an "ecology week" in junior high where normal classes were suspended and we all went to classes about the environment. I don't remember any "free market" week or anything like it.

The good news is I was eventually able to escape the liberal pap of those early years and go on to live life knowing that I was the primary driver of my own life.  I didn't just sit around waiting on the government to make my life wonderful.

Exodus 8:32  And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

Ted, most Young people are Liberals only as they get older and they let their hearts grow harder do they change to the Conservative party. In the above Verse It was the Pharaoh whose heart was so harden that even after seeing the power of God he refused to let the people go.  A person heart can become callused, because of greed, selfishness, hate, love of money, sex, love, and all of the passion of man. So each person is responsible for themselves and must listen to the inner voice and not let your heart become so harden. Maybe why you changed is you no longer can here the voice you heard when you were young and receptive to Gods love. Kentay  

[Ted S]

Ted, most Young people are Liberals only as they get older and they let their hearts grow harder do they change to the Conservative party. In the above Verse It was the Pharaoh whose heart was so harden that even after seeing the power of God he refused to let the people go.  A person heart can become callused, because of greed, selfishness, hate, love of money, sex, love, and all of the passion of man. So each person is responsible for themselves and must listen to the inner voice and not let your heart become so harden. Maybe why you changed is you no longer can here the voice you heard when you were young and receptive to Gods love. Kentay

Many people grow wiser as they grow older.

Your response Kentay tells me that you don't understand conservatism because it is produces a better and more rewarding life for the vast majority of people.  Leftism makes people dependent on the state, authorizes the state to confiscate the private property of individuals, and it produces unhappiness because  people don't earn their success and aren't allowed to pursue happiness in their own way.

Having once been both a leftist and now a strong proponent of liberty I can honestly say that I think you're the one with the hardened heart, although it's from ignorance rather than design.

[kentay]

Ted, most Young people are Liberals only as they get older and they let their hearts grow harder do they change to the Conservative party. In the above Verse It was the Pharaoh whose heart was so harden that even after seeing the power of God he refused to let the people go.  A person heart can become callused, because of greed, selfishness, hate, love of money, sex, love, and all of the passion of man. So each person is responsible for themselves and must listen to the inner voice and not let your heart become so harden. Maybe why you changed is you no longer can here the voice you heard when you were young and receptive to Gods love. Kentay

Many people grow wiser as they grow older.

Your response Kentay tells me that you don't understand conservatism because it is produces a better and more rewarding life for the vast majority of people.  Leftism makes people dependent on the state, authorizes the state to confiscate the private property of individuals, and it produces unhappiness because  people don't earn their success and aren't allowed to pursue happiness in their own way.

Having once been both a leftist and now a strong proponent of liberty I can honestly say that I think you're the one with the hardened heart, although it's from ignorance rather than design.

[Ted S]

Kentay, you and I will never agree on much when it comes to politics and culture.  I once thought like you and then allowed myself to truly consider other points of view.  You apparently haven't done this.  You not only won't leave your side of the fence to even have a look, you've dug a big hole to stand in while viewing the world.

[clistensprechen]

Did you go to Public Schools? Kentay

I sure did, in the 60's and 70's, and they turned-out a leftist in me.  Like many, I was a leftist in my younger years but I had a truly open mind and when I started paying real attention to current events and politics, the leftist point-of-view started taking-on-water.  By time time I hit 40 I was a solid constitutional conservative or classical liberal.

Since I never went to any privately run schools I have no way of knowing whether my education would have been better there.  I do remember having an "ecology week" in junior high where normal classes were suspended and we all went to classes about the environment. I don't remember any "free market" week or anything like it.

The good news is I was eventually able to escape the liberal pap of those early years and go on to live life knowing that I was the primary driver of my own life.  I didn't just sit around waiting on the government to make my life wonderful.

Tsk tsk tsk. You make it sound like you didn't turn into a conservative--you turned into a reactionary.

I grew up attending first private school then public school and I can tell you that neither teaches you much. The former attempts to program your brain with an agenda and the latter is run like a business: selling crap vended by shitty text books by a bloated and overrated administration. I learned best from the best teachers, and I've had remarkable teachers in both types of school. I've also had shitty teachers in both types of school.

The stuff I've learned, I've learned by my own extracurricular research and reading, once I nailed down how research is done. And I'm still doing it. Research is a life lesson well learned in any school.

[clistensprechen]

Ted, most Young people are Liberals only as they get older and they let their hearts grow harder do they change to the Conservative party. In the above Verse It was the Pharaoh whose heart was so harden that even after seeing the power of God he refused to let the people go.  A person heart can become callused, because of greed, selfishness, hate, love of money, sex, love, and all of the passion of man. So each person is responsible for themselves and must listen to the inner voice and not let your heart become so harden. Maybe why you changed is you no longer can here the voice you heard when you were young and receptive to Gods love. Kentay

Many people grow wiser as they grow older.

Your response Kentay tells me that you don't understand conservatism because it is produces a better and more rewarding life for the vast majority of people. 

Like all those middle class people who had 6-digits-per-year paychecks who lost their homes because they lost their jobs because their jobs got sent to communist China. I know. I for one understand conservatism alright. I even remember William F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan. I even voted for Reagan the first time he ran.

But not the second. Why? I got wiser.

Leftism makes people dependent on the state, authorizes the state to confiscate the private property of individuals, and it produces unhappiness because  people don't earn their success and aren't allowed to pursue happiness in their own way.

Nobody on the left in the U.S.A. embraces communist China like a conservative businessman, because today's conservative businessman depends on the state to dole out welfare for kids and retirement for old folks so that conservative businesses don't like the idea that their workers earn retirement, health care, or child care just by working for a set-aside for those things. Americans who are dependent upon the state to confiscate private property earned by individuals is the conservative businessman dependent on the communism of China.

[clistensprechen]

I really laughed out loud at the premise that Romney committed no gaffes because he told the truth.  That's exactly why Britain's secret entities have a problem with Romney. Loose lips sink ships.

And any time a presidential hopeful spouts anything that is taken as an offense by an ALLY....a CLOSE ALLY at that...it's a gaffe, truth or not.

Mitt should have thought that MI5 was the hardware store and that the hardware store was MI5...unless he really doesn't know **** about hardware.  The reporter who asked Mitt what he bought at the hardware store should have gotten a tight closeup of his hands. Manicured mitts don't know from hardware.

[kentay]

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[wbcoleman]

Ted, most Young people are Liberals only as they get older and they let their hearts grow harder do they change to the Conservative party. In the above Verse It was the Pharaoh whose heart was so harden that even after seeing the power of God he refused to let the people go.  A person heart can become callused, because of greed, selfishness, hate, love of money, sex, love, and all of the passion of man. So each person is responsible for themselves and must listen to the inner voice and not let your heart become so harden. Maybe why you changed is you no longer can here the voice you heard when you were young and receptive to Gods love. Kentay

Many people grow wiser as they grow older.

Your response Kentay tells me that you don't understand conservatism because it is produces a better and more rewarding life for the vast majority of people.  Leftism makes people dependent on the state, authorizes the state to confiscate the private property of individuals, and it produces unhappiness because  people don't earn their success and aren't allowed to pursue happiness in their own way.

Having once been both a leftist and now a strong proponent of liberty I can honestly say that I think you're the one with the hardened heart, although it's from ignorance rather than design.

See, this is the fundamental problem with liberal / leftism.  Disagreement is viewed as a battle between good and evil.  Political opposition = Evil.

[clistensprechen]

Hell, BOTH sides demonize the other. This is not news.

It was my hope for this board that the no-holds-barred-free-for-all  idea would result in people here realizing that demonization isn't persuasive and so another tack is wiser to take, but, alas, both parties make victory a live-or-die desperate situation where demonization is essential and the issues buried.  That's one of the reasons I posted that poster in the other topic about how Can Kicking should be an Olympic sport.  Both sides have done this while politically reverting to crass knuckledragging tribal blood sport.

We have dire issues to address in this nation and can kicking is not an option.  Which means demonization is not an option.  However, basing one's politics on fiction isn't an option either, and it appears that the Republicans are more about fiction than the Dems are, although the Dems have their share of fiction as well.

We are all Americans here, and all of us on this board are of equal honored standing. Let's solve some problems and be persuasive, shall we?  I mean, the Anybody But Bush strategy didn't work for Dems during Dubya's tenure, and yet Republicans fantasize that Anybody But Obama will work better. Seems to me that this is trying the same thing over again expecting different results...however...neither party has cornered the market on sanity these days.

Just sayin'.

[Ted S]

Hell, BOTH sides demonize the other. This is not news.

It was my hope for this board that the no-holds-barred-free-for-all  idea would result in people here realizing that demonization isn't persuasive and so another tack is wiser to take, but, alas, both parties make victory a live-or-die desperate situation where demonization is essential and the issues buried.  That's one of the reasons I posted that poster in the other topic about how Can Kicking should be an Olympic sport.  Both sides have done this while politically reverting to crass knuckledragging tribal blood sport.

We have dire issues to address in this nation and can kicking is not an option.  Which means demonization is not an option.  However, basing one's politics on fiction isn't an option either, and it appears that the Republicans are more about fiction than the Dems are, although the Dems have their share of fiction as well.

We are all Americans here, and all of us on this board are of equal honored standing. Let's solve some problems and be persuasive, shall we?  I mean, the Anybody But Bush strategy didn't work for Dems during Dubya's tenure, and yet Republicans fantasize that Anybody But Obama will work better. Seems to me that this is trying the same thing over again expecting different results...however...neither party has cornered the market on sanity these days.

Just sayin'.

I like what you've said here Clara.  I imagine we would differ wildly on the details but as a big sweeping statement I like what you've said.

The trouble however is that while we are all Americans, we don't all have the same values and priorities.  Fundamentally, it's liberty vs equality.  You can't have both.  You have to choose one.  With some exceptions of course, liberals want material equality and conservatives want liberty, but you can't have both.  With such a fundamental difference the USA just isn't come together unless something drastic happens.  And when I say something drastic, I mean something drastic.  Something like an economic collapse that has a shock value roughly equivalent to to 9/11 attack.  Something that makes regular people stare at their televisions in horror for hours.  Something that makes people genuinely afraid of the future.  Not just politicians warning of doom and gloom.  We had that before 9/11 but nobody paid attention.

We need an economic enemy to rally against.  Right now liberals think the enemy is capitalism and conservatives think it is a lack of true capitalism.  There will be no agreement.

[wbcoleman]

Hell, BOTH sides demonize the other. This is not news.

It was my hope for this board that the no-holds-barred-free-for-all  idea would result in people here realizing that demonization isn't persuasive and so another tack is wiser to take, but, alas, both parties make victory a live-or-die desperate situation where demonization is essential and the issues buried.  That's one of the reasons I posted that poster in the other topic about how Can Kicking should be an Olympic sport.  Both sides have done this while politically reverting to crass knuckledragging tribal blood sport.

We have dire issues to address in this nation and can kicking is not an option.  Which means demonization is not an option.  However, basing one's politics on fiction isn't an option either, and it appears that the Republicans are more about fiction than the Dems are, although the Dems have their share of fiction as well.

We are all Americans here, and all of us on this board are of equal honored standing. Let's solve some problems and be persuasive, shall we?  I mean, the Anybody But Bush strategy didn't work for Dems during Dubya's tenure, and yet Republicans fantasize that Anybody But Obama will work better. Seems to me that this is trying the same thing over again expecting different results...however...neither party has cornered the market on sanity these days.

Just sayin'.

No generalization is ever completely accurate, and I agree that some on both sides engage in demonization, but my point isn't about demonization or name-calling.  It's that one side is based upon an idealistic theoretical model and the other isn't.  People who adhere to the model -- even very polite ones -- find it difficult to recognize the good faith of people who don't.

[wbcoleman]

Hell, BOTH sides demonize the other. This is not news.

It was my hope for this board that the no-holds-barred-free-for-all  idea would result in people here realizing that demonization isn't persuasive and so another tack is wiser to take, but, alas, both parties make victory a live-or-die desperate situation where demonization is essential and the issues buried.  That's one of the reasons I posted that poster in the other topic about how Can Kicking should be an Olympic sport.  Both sides have done this while politically reverting to crass knuckledragging tribal blood sport.

We have dire issues to address in this nation and can kicking is not an option.  Which means demonization is not an option.  However, basing one's politics on fiction isn't an option either, and it appears that the Republicans are more about fiction than the Dems are, although the Dems have their share of fiction as well.

We are all Americans here, and all of us on this board are of equal honored standing. Let's solve some problems and be persuasive, shall we?  I mean, the Anybody But Bush strategy didn't work for Dems during Dubya's tenure, and yet Republicans fantasize that Anybody But Obama will work better. Seems to me that this is trying the same thing over again expecting different results...however...neither party has cornered the market on sanity these days.

Just sayin'.

I like what you've said here Clara.  I imagine we would differ wildly on the details but as a big sweeping statement I like what you've said.

The trouble however is that while we are all Americans, we don't all have the same values and priorities.  Fundamentally, it's liberty vs equality.  You can't have both.  You have to choose one.  With some exceptions of course, liberals want material equality and conservatives want liberty, but you can't have both.  With such a fundamental difference the USA just isn't come together unless something drastic happens.  And when I say something drastic, I mean something drastic.  Something like an economic collapse that has a shock value roughly equivalent to to 9/11 attack.  Something that makes regular people stare at their televisions in horror for hours.  Something that makes people genuinely afraid of the future.  Not just politicians warning of doom and gloom.  We had that before 9/11 but nobody paid attention.

We need an economic enemy to rally against.  Right now liberals think the enemy is capitalism and conservatives think it is a lack of true capitalism.  There will be no agreement.

In civics lessons I use your dichotomy between liberty and equality as a major differentiation between right and left.  I would simply add that it's really not a dichotomy; everyone off the extreme tails believes in both but differ in where they make the necessary tradeoffs.

[clistensprechen]

Where liberty infringes on the liberty of others, there is no equality.

Cons have an historical track record of using legislation to tilt the equality thing in favor of economic predators, and equality is actually a liberal concept.