Any teachers here?

[Ted S]

I think I remember WBColeman saying he is/was a teacher.  Are there any teachers here?

[clistensprechen]

Does being a daughter of a teacher count?

I'm better-than-average familiar with teacher/administrator issues involving unions.

[wbcoleman]

I think I remember WBColeman saying he is/was a teacher.  Are there any teachers here?

Not quite ready to retire yet.

[Ted S]

Okay, looks have a teacher here and one of Clara's parents was a teacher and one of my parents was a teacher as well.  That's a good starting point.

Our president seems to be of the mind that things don't get done alone.  We all remember Obama and the "You didn't build that!" line he put forth a couple weeks ago.  Obviously Obama thinks that's the way business works but how about the classroom?

I'm just wondering how the A students would react if their teacher told them that they didn't make their grades alone. What if the teacher said "You didn't earn that!"  What if the teacher then explained that only a handful of students in the class had gotten As and that wasn't fair so there was going to be a class vote to determine how the grades were to be divvied out?  The majority could decide to take away from the honors students and give to the low achievers because that was the democratic thing to do.

How do you think that would go over with your class mister Coleman?

[clistensprechen]

Okay, looks have a teacher here and one of Clara's parents was a teacher and one of my parents was a teacher as well.  That's a good starting point.

Our president seems to be of the mind that things don't get done alone.  We all remember Obama and the "You didn't build that!" line he put forth a couple weeks ago.  Obviously Obama thinks that's the way business works but how about the classroom?

I'm just wondering how the A students would react if their teacher told them that they didn't make their grades alone. What if the teacher said "You didn't earn that!"  What if the teacher then explained that only a handful of students in the class had gotten As and that wasn't fair so there was going to be a class vote to determine how the grades were to be divvied out?  The majority could decide to take away from the honors students and give to the low achievers because that was the democratic thing to do.

How do you think that would go over with your class mister Coleman?

Boy, and I thought only Woody posted disconnected stuff.

Here's the deal:

Businesses did NOT build "that", as in roads, bridges, sewer treatment plants, water pipelines, or the trash pickup system. What Obama said was true and what your statement here says is out of context fiction.

There is no *I* in "team", so if you're anti-teamwork you've got no business being in business because in your view that's "socialism".  It takes a crew to run the power plant your business depends on and nobody can do THAT alone.

No student earns his/her grades alone without a good teacher. If kids knew how to teach themselves, they wouldn't need parents either, and if parents were the only teachers kids ever need, then no kid can ever aspire to do better than their parents did. Ever.

[Woody]

Okay, looks have a teacher here and one of Clara's parents was a teacher and one of my parents was a teacher as well.  That's a good starting point.

Our president seems to be of the mind that things don't get done alone.  We all remember Obama and the "You didn't build that!" line he put forth a couple weeks ago.  Obviously Obama thinks that's the way business works but how about the classroom?

I'm just wondering how the A students would react if their teacher told them that they didn't make their grades alone. What if the teacher said "You didn't earn that!"  What if the teacher then explained that only a handful of students in the class had gotten As and that wasn't fair so there was going to be a class vote to determine how the grades were to be divvied out?  The majority could decide to take away from the honors students and give to the low achievers because that was the democratic thing to do.

How do you think that would go over with your class mister Coleman?

Boy, and I thought only Woody posted disconnected stuff.

Clara, I am a married man.  You have to stop fantasizing about me on threads where I am not participating.  Plus the thought of a 400 pound male shut in who posts under the names clistensprechen and Clara whatever fantasizing about me gives me the woollies.

[Ted S]

Businesses did NOT build "that", as in roads, bridges, sewer treatment plants, water pipelines, or the trash pickup system. What Obama said was true and what your statement here says is out of context fiction.

Actually businesses build all of those things, they don't fund them but they certainly build them.

SWING!...... and a miss.

[Woody]

You can make a legitimate argument that business did fund, or help fund, those things.

[Ted S]

You can make a legitimate argument that business did fund, or help fund, those things.

You can, but you can also make an argument that business didn't fund any of those things, their customers did.  Since businesses get their money from selling to customers, the retail customer in the final link in a long chain of transactions.

I think people would be shocked if they ever found out how much of the price of this-or-that is taxes being collected by the long string of businesses in the supply chain.

[clistensprechen]

Businesses did NOT build "that", as in roads, bridges, sewer treatment plants, water pipelines, or the trash pickup system. What Obama said was true and what your statement here says is out of context fiction.

Actually businesses build all of those things, they don't fund them but they certainly build them.

SWING!...... and a miss.

Speak for your own swings and misses--those businesses wouldn't exist without government either because you know damn well other busineses wouldn't build their own roads, bridges, etc.

[Woody]

Odd, business found a way to expand out west, in cities, etc, long before government built roads.  Just how did they do it.


But at least you are admitting that in context obama meant what we said he meant. 

[Ted S]

Speak for your own swings and misses--those businesses wouldn't exist without government either because you know damn well other busineses wouldn't build their own roads, bridges, etc.

Sure they would.  Woody just provided a good example.  Businesses wouldn't build bridges and roads if there were no way to monetize it but if there is a way to make some money, they'll do it.

But I think you missed my point. The point I was trying to make is that when government officials decide to build a bridge over a river for example, they solicit bids from private businesses and the winner gets to build the bridge.  Point being, it's the construction workers from that private business that actually build the bridge, not government employees.  The government simply takes money from its citizens and lets politicians decide where, when, and what kind of bridge to build.  The labor is provided almost exclusively by private business.  So in the end, the people provide the funds, business provides the labor, and politicians make the important decisions -- often for political reasons.

Tune back in for your next lesson tomorrow.

[clistensprechen]

Odd, business found a way to expand out west, in cities, etc, long before government built roads.  Just how did they do it.


But at least you are admitting that in context obama meant what we said he meant.

They didn't do that, actually. New York can lay claim to the Erie Canal, not any individual business. Same is true of the transcontinental rail road.  Take a wild, wild guess where the corporation personhood bullshit came from. That wasn't declared by a business, that was declared by a government's judge.