Lefties, please evaluate this Medicare plan

[Woody]

Forum lefties, please evaluate this Medicare plan.


In 10 or 11 years seniors ENTERING Medicare will have the following options.  The options will be paid for by government subsidy to each senior and will be means tested.  The poorer you are the more you get, the richer, the lesser you get.  The baseline each year will be based on a insurance companies regional bids with the government choosing the second lowest bid as the baseline.


1.  Use their subsidy and enter the private market.


2.  Participate in the Medicare Health Exchanges that are like the ACA (obamacare) exchanges and administered by government where they can choose or taylor a plan that suits there needs. 


3.  Opt to participate in the traditional Medicare program run buy the government.


Additionally, the age to qualify for Medicare will go up by two months each year until the entry age is 67.


Sound like a good plan?

[clistensprechen]

I'm not a leftie but a lib-leaning independent, and I can say that there's a problem with this line alone:

The baseline each year will be based on a insurance companies regional bids with the government choosing the second lowest bid as the baseline.

Second lowest? EACH year? O_O Too volatile.

Sound like a good plan?

Not only no, but HELL no.

[Woody]

I'm not a leftie but a lib-leaning independent, and I can say that there's a problem with this line alone:

The baseline each year will be based on a insurance companies regional bids with the government choosing the second lowest bid as the baseline.

Second lowest? EACH year? O_O Too volatile.

Sound like a good plan?

Not only no, but HELL no.

Fair enough. I will also put you in the no column for obamacare.   But why is it too volatile?  Too much individual choice? 


PS.  Could you post the plan YOU support?  Or has TPM not given you one yet?   


PPS.  YOU are a leftie.

[clistensprechen]

1.  Use their subsidy and enter the private market.

Not enough specifics, which means it can be rigged by the private market.  Gimme the details first.

2.  Participate in the Medicare Health Exchanges that are like the ACA (obamacare) exchanges and administered by government where they can choose or taylor a plan that suits there needs. 

I do believe that you mean "they can choose or TAILOR a plan that suits..."...anyhoo... that's "picking winners and losers". I need more details on that, too.

3.  Opt to participate in the traditional Medicare program run buy the government.

I'd go for that, but with certain specific reforms, like the outcome-based payment plan and "hot-spotting" that Obamacare offers, which doesn't exist elsewhere currently.

Additionally, the age to qualify for Medicare will go up by two months each year until the entry age is 67.

Age related infirmities begin in in the late 40's, which means age related infirmities won't get treated when they're small and instead be treated when they get catastrophic--so that's a big fail.

Sound like a good plan?

Not only no, but HELL NO.

[clistensprechen]

I'm not a leftie but a lib-leaning independent, and I can say that there's a problem with this line alone:

The baseline each year will be based on a insurance companies regional bids with the government choosing the second lowest bid as the baseline.

Second lowest? EACH year? O_O Too volatile.

Sound like a good plan?

Not only no, but HELL no.

Fair enough. I will also put you in the no column for obamacare.   But why is it too volatile?  Too much individual choice? 

The annual basis is what's too volatile, silly. As usual, you miss the point with your pie-in-sky fantasies.

PS.  Could you post the plan YOU support?  Or has TPM not given you one yet?   


PPS.  YOU are a leftie.

You have served up another legitimate reason for me to call you a liar.  Consider it done.

[Woody]

1.  Use their subsidy and enter the private market.

Not enough specifics, which means it can be rigged by the private market.  Gimme the details first.

2.  Participate in the Medicare Health Exchanges that are like the ACA (obamacare) exchanges and administered by government where they can choose or taylor a plan that suits there needs. 

I do believe that you mean "they can choose or TAILOR a plan that suits..."...anyhoo... that's "picking winners and losers". I need more details on that, too.

3.  Opt to participate in the traditional Medicare program run buy the government.

I'd go for that, but with certain specific reforms, like the outcome-based payment plan and "hot-spotting" that Obamacare offers, which doesn't exist elsewhere currently.

Additionally, the age to qualify for Medicare will go up by two months each year until the entry age is 67.

Age related infirmities begin in in the late 40's so that's a big fail.

Sound like a good plan?

Not only no, but HELL NO.

Interesting.  No plan. 


Picking winners and losers?  WTF are you Talking about?  It is called consumer choice.  You do that every time you go to the grocery store.  The "they" is the senior entering Medicare' not the government. 


As far as manipulation that would be called collusion.  Illegal.


As far as age, pease put forth a plan YOU support that will keep Medicare solvent beyond 2023.

[Woody]

I'm not a leftie but a lib-leaning independent, and I can say that there's a problem with this line alone:

The baseline each year will be based on a insurance companies regional bids with the government choosing the second lowest bid as the baseline.

Second lowest? EACH year? O_O Too volatile.

Sound like a good plan?

Not only no, but HELL no.

Fair enough. I will also put you in the no column for obamacare.   But why is it too volatile?  Too much individual choice? 

The annual basis is what's too volatile, silly. As usual, you miss the point with your pie-in-sky fantasies.

PS.  Could you post the plan YOU support?  Or has TPM not given you one yet?   


PPS.  YOU are a leftie.

You have served up another legitimate reason for me to call you a liar.  Consider it done.

No I haven't.  You support obamacare with health exchanges yet you reject Medicare with the same **** thing.  Smells like agenda to me.  Lol!

[Ted S]

The whole idea of picking one insurance plan that is the right fit for 310 million people seems ludicrous to me.

How about insurance companies get to decide what kinds of plans to offer and everybody uses their own money to pick the plan that fits them best?  Just like buying a shirt.  And for those who cannot afford a plan, they go on Medicaid.

[clistensprechen]

Just because you declare those to be the same **** thing, it doesn't Make It So, Captain Picard. FAIL.

[Woody]

Just because you declare those to be the same **** thing, it doesn't Make It So, Captain Picard. FAIL.

Ok, so make it exactly the same.  What problem do you have with it now? 

[Gnosisquest]

Forum lefties, please evaluate this Medicare plan.


In 10 or 11 years seniors ENTERING Medicare will have the following options.  The options will be paid for by government subsidy to each senior and will be means tested.  The poorer you are the more you get, the richer, the lesser you get.  The baseline each year will be based on a insurance companies regional bids with the government choosing the second lowest bid as the baseline.


1.  Use their subsidy and enter the private market.


2.  Participate in the Medicare Health Exchanges that are like the ACA (obamacare) exchanges and administered by government where they can choose or taylor a plan that suits there needs. 


3.  Opt to participate in the traditional Medicare program run buy the government.


Additionally, the age to qualify for Medicare will go up by two months each year until the entry age is 67.


Sound like a good plan?

More stupidity from the people purchased by insurance companies and a waste of good money!
I have lived in Canada, Norway and also received medical in Denmark as well the the US and on a scale of 1-10 Canada would be 9, Denmark 9.5, Norway 9.4 and the US (Kaiser, 4, United, 2,) In addition the insurance in the US costs many times more than in any country which has  single payer, superior care.

In addition the lies you are told about waiting time is an insult. I have had to wait far longer in the US than anywhere: For example, I had a hernia operation in Canada in 1973. I waited two days to see the specialist and another three to have the operation. In 2003 I had another hernia rupture in the US, with full insurance I still had to wait five weeks to have the operation.

There is a tried and true system used in the rest of the world called single payer. It covers everyone, the Doctors and hospitals get the money instead of insurance companies.
It is stupidity to make the entire nation suffer because of some greedy Ba$tard$ in government and insurance companies who gauge the population!

[Woody]

Forum lefties, please evaluate this Medicare plan.


In 10 or 11 years seniors ENTERING Medicare will have the following options.  The options will be paid for by government subsidy to each senior and will be means tested.  The poorer you are the more you get, the richer, the lesser you get.  The baseline each year will be based on a insurance companies regional bids with the government choosing the second lowest bid as the baseline.

1.  Use their subsidy and enter the private market.


2.  Participate in the Medicare Health Exchanges that are like the ACA (obamacare) exchanges and administered by government where they can choose or taylor a plan that suits there needs. 


3.  Opt to participate in the traditional Medicare program run buy the government.


Additionally, the age to qualify for Medicare will go up by two months each year until the entry age is 67.


Sound like a good plan?

More stupidity from the people purchased by insurance companies and a waste of good money!
I have lived in Canada, Norway and also received medical in Denmark as well the the US and on a scale of 1-10 Canada would be 9, Denmark 9.5, Norway 9.4 and the US (Kaiser, 4, United, 2,) In addition the insurance in the US costs many times more than in any country which has  single payer, superior care.

In addition the lies you are told about waiting time is an insult. I have had to wait far longer in the US than anywhere: For example, I had a hernia operation in Canada in 1973. I waited two days to see the specialist and another three to have the operation. In 2003 I had another hernia rupture in the US, with full insurance I still had to wait five weeks to have the operation.

There is a tried and true system used in the rest of the world called single payer. It covers everyone, the Doctors and hospitals get the money instead of insurance companies.
It is stupidity to make the entire nation suffer because of some greedy Ba$tard$ in government and insurance companies who gauge the population!

We will chalk him as a no. 


Next..

[clistensprechen]

We will chalk him as a now. 


Next..

wut

[Woody]

We will chalk him as a now. 


Next..

wut

Fixed.  Auto spell on an iPad is a ****.  By the way, do you have a plan that you support or TPM hasn't posted it yet?

[clistensprechen]

We will chalk him as a now. 


Next..

wut

Fixed.  Auto spell on an iPad is a ****.  By the way, do you have a plan that you support or TPM hasn't posted it yet?

...and then u post something else u need to fix.  Again...

wut