Public shadow boxing; step right up!

[Gnosisquest]

I do expect these Churches would just roll over and be happy to comply in order to exist.

Get a clue! You are outnumbered. Maybe you'll be allowed to exist if you comply.

Do you advocate execution of people in disagreement?
The historicity of the Bible has long since been exposed as flawed and even religious experts agree it is unsustainable:
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/cocoon/JHS/a013.html

[Ted S]

No trouble; manufacturing is one thing, distribution is another. Manufacturers would not have their own distribution centers.

Are you saying there would be no monopoly if for instance, if the only car a person could buy in the United States were a Ford Pinto as long as there were many different dealers selling Ford Pintos?

[Gnosisquest]

No trouble; manufacturing is one thing, distribution is another. Manufacturers would not have their own distribution centers.

Are you saying there would be no monopoly if for instance, if the only car a person could buy in the United States were a Ford Pinto as long as there were many different dealers selling Ford Pintos?

Don't you think that question is rather absurd Ted? If the only car allowed to be produced in the US was the Ford Pinto there would be a monopoly.

[RWE]

Do you advocate execution of people in disagreement?
The historicity of the Bible has long since been exposed as flawed and even religious experts agree it is unsustainable:
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/cocoon/JHS/a013.html

The historicity of atheists imposing their beliefs on others is wrought with executions and imprisonment. What you find to be unsustainable has sustained for thousands of years. There are those among the Muslims who will happily remove the head of anyone who provides "a full disclosure of the facts" in regard to their Koran. 

[Gnosisquest]

Do you advocate execution of people in disagreement?
The historicity of the Bible has long since been exposed as flawed and even religious experts agree it is unsustainable:
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/cocoon/JHS/a013.html

The historicity of atheists imposing their beliefs on others is wrought with executions and imprisonment. What you find to be unsustainable has sustained for thousands of years. There are those among the Muslims who will happily remove the head of anyone who provides "a full disclosure of the facts" in regard to their Koran.

How can an atheist impose beliefs, an atheist is a person who does not have beliefs about anything supernatural.
Religion has been sustained for centuries by people who were willing to prove their point by killing opposition. Civilized countries are past that stage, I'm not sure the US is yet.

[Ted S]

Don't you think that question is rather absurd Ted? If the only car allowed to be produced in the US was the Ford Pinto there would be a monopoly.

Of course I think the idea that one single auto being sold by many dealers not being a monopoly is absurd but that's what you wrote.  You'd better go back and read it for yourself.  You said disconnecting manufacturing from distribution was the way to avoid monopolies.

Oh and it's not that the Pinto is the only car ALLOWED to be produced, it's that it is the only car ACTUALLY BEING produced.

[RWE]

How can an atheist impose beliefs, an atheist is a person who does not have beliefs about anything supernatural.

Yes you do. You have the supernatural belief that your solutions presented in this thread are workable.

[Ted S]

4.) Salaries of all elected officials capped at twice the national average.

I think we can dispense with this one rather quickly.  I don't have a problem with limiting the salaries of elected officials but then I don't really think many of them are in it for the salary.  They are in it for power and fame and salary potential after they leave office.  This is a benign feel-good proposal so if it makes you feel good, I say go for it.

[wbcoleman]

6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.

This would outlaw the teaching of Marxism and "progressivism", right?

[Gnosisquest]

Don't you think that question is rather absurd Ted? If the only car allowed to be produced in the US was the Ford Pinto there would be a monopoly.

Of course I think the idea that one single auto being sold by many dealers not being a monopoly is absurd but that's what you wrote.  You'd better go back and read it for yourself.  You said disconnecting manufacturing from distribution was the way to avoid monopolies.

Oh and it's not that the Pinto is the only car ALLOWED to be produced, it's that it is the only car ACTUALLY BEING produced.

In the case of the pinto; assuming Ford came out with an engine that somehow got 90 miles to the gallon. It would be almost the only manufacturer producing vehicles until another manufacturer came out with a vehicle that got 120 MPG. Then another comes up with a vehicle running on salt water and so on. That is not monopoly but an efficient method to create better vehicles.

How can an atheist impose beliefs, an atheist is a person who does not have beliefs about anything supernatural.

Yes you do. You have the supernatural belief that your solutions presented in this thread are workable.

But this is not an unprovable proposition such as the proposition that after this life is over somehow there will be atoms reassembled so a body will be resurrected.

4.) Salaries of all elected officials capped at twice the national average.

I think we can dispense with this one rather quickly.  I don't have a problem with limiting the salaries of elected officials but then I don't really think many of them are in it for the salary.  They are in it for power and fame and salary potential after they leave office.  This is a benign feel-good proposal so if it makes you feel good, I say go for it.

Not the best way; the way to do it would be that public service such as senator or congressman is a lifetime profession. There would be no entering the private sector again for anyone who had held public office.

6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.

This would outlaw the teaching of Marxism and "progressivism", right?

I did not know it was thought as fact anywhere so it is an example of how the religious doctrines could be thought.

[wbcoleman]

You want to be ruled by full-time career politicians and you want to ban the teaching of anything which, in your opinion, lacks a factual basis.  Isn't stuff like that a recipe for tyranny?

[Ted S]

Not the best way; the way to do it would be that public service such as senator or congressman is a lifetime profession. There would be no entering the private sector again for anyone who had held public office.

Wow.  Have you thought this through?  Lifetime seats in the House and Senate?  Or are you suggesting that there still be elections but when an incumbent loses he or she gets a salary twice the going rate for the rest of their lives for doing nothing?  That should be popular.

[wbcoleman]

Not the best way; the way to do it would be that public service such as senator or congressman is a lifetime profession. There would be no entering the private sector again for anyone who had held public office.

Wow.  Have you thought this through?  Lifetime seats in the House and Senate?  Or are you suggesting that there still be elections but when an incumbent loses he or she gets a salary twice the going rate for the rest of their lives for doing nothing?  That should be popular.

The British are threatening to abolish the House of Lords.  Perhaps their lordships and ladyships could migrate to us!

[Gnosisquest]

You want to be ruled by full-time career politicians and you want to ban the teaching of anything which, in your opinion, lacks a factual basis.  Isn't stuff like that a recipe for tyranny?

Not at all Coleman, I'm not against the teaching of anything as long as it is not thought as fact without supporting evidence.
Politicians would still have to be elected, just once they had served they could not enter public sector professions again.

[Gnosisquest]

Not the best way; the way to do it would be that public service such as senator or congressman is a lifetime profession. There would be no entering the private sector again for anyone who had held public office.

Wow.  Have you thought this through?  Lifetime seats in the House and Senate?  Or are you suggesting that there still be elections but when an incumbent loses he or she gets a salary twice the going rate for the rest of their lives for doing nothing?  That should be popular.

The British are threatening to abolish the House of Lords.  Perhaps their lordships and ladyships could migrate to us!

No if retirement age a pension would be provided like all other people. If not at retirement age yet and the person does not get elected there would be plenty of other job openings, In fact there are booth Senators and Congressmen I wouldn't mind seeing pick up trash at parks etc :band: