Does anyone see anything wrong with GOP states ID Voter law?

[Woody]

States with voter ID laws make it easier for citizens to board airplanes.

Because....?  I see no cause/effect with that one. Explain

Really, are you serious?


From earlier.


Added:


What exactly do you not understand?  The fact that you need some sort of state/federal ID to board an aircraft at an airport?

[clistensprechen]

...
You have a real issue when you are questioned.  That's why we don't take you seriously. 

You're Sybil now. got it.

We ask you to clarify and instead of clarifying you attempt to be a smartass.  I am a professional smartass.  I have reached heights of smartassness
that you could never dream of attaining.

It's why people take YOU seriously and not me. Got it.

So, what issue do you have, or what do you not understand, concerning our comments?

Pleased to meet all of your personalities, Sybil. I think we should go to an icecream social just so I can get acquainted--that way, I'll have a better idea of which Woody I'm talking to at any given moment.  The pleasure's all mine. And you'll have to admit, thisis one of those rare places where Woody has the freedom to be Woody regardless of which one of him appears at any given moment.  :wuv:

Hi kentaclara,


We can play your usual clarajerkfest OR you can tell us what issue you have or what you do not understand about our comments.  I can play the witty, insult game better than you or we can discuss the topic. 


Tell you what.c I will repost your original comment with my question.  I will let YOU decide how you want to pay it.


Your call snookums.

Okay. I call it a night.

See u tomorrow, sweetcheeks.

[Woody]

In 2008 GA had voter ID laws in place.  The argument from the left is voter ID laws suppress the black vote.  Conservatives claim it does not suppress the vote.  And the data from GA suggests tat conservatives are correct.  Voter ID laws did not stop an increase in black votes in GA for the 2008 election.


http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/aug/14/warren-kampf/lawmaker-uses-georgia-push-voter-id-law/

[Woody]

Here is a little more.  In 2008 voter turnout by the communities the left claimed would suffer suppression INCREASED in 2008:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123327839569631609.html



Partial cut and paste:


The two states with the strictest voter ID requirements are Indiana and Georgia. Both require a government-issued photo ID. According to figures released by Prof. Michael McDonald of George Mason University, the overall national turnout of eligible voters was 61.6%, the highest turnout since the 1964 election.
[/size]The Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies (JCPES) found that black turnout in the 2008 election was at a historic high, having increased substantially from 2004. The total share of black voters in the national vote increased from 11% to 13% according to exit polls, with 95% of blacks voting for Mr. Obama.
[/size]So what happened in Georgia where the ACLU, the NAACP and other such groups claimed the state's photo ID law was intended to depress black turnout? According to figures released by Curtis Gans at American University, Georgia had the largest turnout in its history, with nearly four million voters. The Republican turnout was up only 0.22 percentage points; the Democratic turnout was up an astonishing 6.1 percentage points, rising from 22.66% of the eligible voting population to 28.74% of the eligible population.
[/size]The overall turnout in Georgia increased 6.7 percentage points from the 2004 election -- the second highest increase in turnout of any state in the country. According to the JCPES, the black share of the statewide vote increased in Georgia from 25% in the 2004 election, when the photo ID law was not in effect, to 30% in the 2008 election, when the photo ID law was in effect.
[/size]By contrast, the Democratic turnout in the neighboring state of Mississippi -- which has no voter ID requirement but also has a large black population similar to Georgia's -- increased by only 2.35 percentage points.
[/size]In Indiana, which the Supreme Court said had the strictest voter ID law in the country, the turnout of Democratic voters in the November election increased by 8.32 percentage points. That was the largest increase in Democratic turnout of any state in the country. The increase in overall turnout in Indiana was the fifth highest in the country, but only because the turnout of Republican voters actually went down 3.57 percentage points. The nearby state of Illinois (no photo ID requirement) had an increase in Democratic turnout of only 4.4 percentage points -- nearly half Indiana's increase.

[Woody]

For Clara:

Adult passengers (18 and over) are required to show a U.S. federal or state-issued photo ID in order to be allowed to go through the checkpoint and onto their flight

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/acceptable_documents.shtm

[clistensprechen]

In 2008 GA had voter ID laws in place.  The argument from the left is voter ID laws suppress the black vote.  Conservatives claim it does not suppress the vote.  And the data from GA suggests tat conservatives are correct.  Voter ID laws did not stop an increase in black votes in GA for the 2008 election.


http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/aug/14/warren-kampf/lawmaker-uses-georgia-push-voter-id-law/

Sure, cons are correct if all we're talking about is Georgia (may Charles Barkley achieve his dream of being that state's governor!)

But none of that's true for the states that passed such laws in 2012.

[Woody]

In 2008 GA had voter ID laws in place.  The argument from the left is voter ID laws suppress the black vote.  Conservatives claim it does not suppress the vote.  And the data from GA suggests tat conservatives are correct.  Voter ID laws did not stop an increase in black votes in GA for the 2008 election.


http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/aug/14/warren-kampf/lawmaker-uses-georgia-push-voter-id-law/

Sure, cons are correct if all we're talking about is Georgia (may Charles Barkley achieve his dream of being that state's governor!)

But none of that's true for the states that passed such laws in 2012.

No, Indiana and other states as well.  But the left did make those claims about Georgia 2008.  As usual, they were wrong.


How can you make the claim it is not true for 2012, looney toons, when the election is not until November? 


Kentaclara, for one always asking for proof you rarely read what is given to you.

[wbcoleman]

Okay. I call it a night.

See u tomorrow, sweetcheeks.

I guess the fact that one cannot board a commercial aircraft without presenting state-issued picture ID weakens your argument so much that it makes you unwilling to acknowledge or concede the point.  That's useful.

[kentay]

Ohio Secretary Of State Removes Democratic Members Of Election Board For Supporting Weekend Voting

[Woody]

That's nice kentay.


I suppose the sudden shif of topics  means you are conceding the point of the thread.  Voter IDs DO NOT SUPPRESS thevote.  If people want to vote they find a way to comply.

[wbcoleman]

That's nice kentay.

I suppose the sudden shif of topics  means you are conceding the point of the thread.  Voter IDs DO NOT SUPPRESS thevote.  If people want to vote they find a way to comply.

I wonder if he knows that clara already started this thread and that the claim has been debunked.  My guess is YES, he knows, but he doesn't care.

[clistensprechen]

Okay. I call it a night.

See u tomorrow, sweetcheeks.

I guess the fact that one cannot board a commercial aircraft without presenting state-issued picture ID weakens your argument so much that it makes you unwilling to acknowledge or concede the point.  That's useful.

You mean I don't get to catch my usual 40 winks at a time I'm accustomed to just cuz you guys make demands?  Guess again. I go to bed at MY bedtime, not when you say so.

But guess what--none of you guys' insults were persuasive, and you tend to post questionable links.  What was persuasive this very late night, as of today, was CSPAN BookTV which showed a discussion about a book called "Who's Counting?", with some subtitle I don't recall, written by John Fund and Hans Von Sparkovski.

Basically I've opined that the basic idea of a voter ID is acceptable.  These two guys got up on Book TV and gave coherent reasons for why a student ID can't be used.  It's the "who's counting" part that makes the fact that only Republican states are calling for it, and I'm sure Republicans are going to point out a time-honored "Chicago politics" deal associated with the late Mayor Daly machine in that dead people vote and vote often.

Legit voter ID certainly would prevent BOTH parties from rigging an election, and they cited the Florida vote in 2000 as to why it's necessary, pretty much negating the claim that voter fraud isn't a problem.  If it happened in Florida in 2000, it can happen again even if it hasn't happened since.

I'm on board with this idea, but do I trust a Republican run state to NOT rig other aspects of voter law to tilt in its favor? Not only no but HELL NO.  Do I trust a Democrat run state to be dragged kicking and screaming into a Republican prescript that would apply to Democrat states?  Not only no, but HELL NO.  My objections of this nature remain.

[kentay]

Why do Republican fight for other countries to get to vote, while doing everything they can to discourage or even break the laws to keep American from voting? Is it because they are afraid the American people are not buying what they are trying to sell. I think they are hypocrites who only approve Democracy for other country but not in their own country. kentay

Ohio Secretary Of State Removes Democratic Members Of Election Board For Supporting Weekend Voting

[clistensprechen]

Yup--neither party can be trusted to reform squat, and John Fund made that point repeatedly in the interview. He's right about that.

[kentay]

Republican want free and open elections in other countries, but not our own. They remind me of the old hucksters trying to sell tonics that they said would cure most everything, while in reality then did nothing but make the hucksters more wealthy.  kentay