Achin' Akin just won't go away.

[Woody]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

[wbcoleman]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

[Woody]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

I hope not.  Problem is I don't know what "we" can do about it.  The effects of the election will not take place until after the tax increase sate.

[wbcoleman]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

I hope not.  Problem is I don't know what "we" can do about it.  The effects of the election will not take place until after the tax increase sate.

If O loses the election and the Dems lose the Senate, will they gang up to block a tax relief bill?

[clistensprechen]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

[wbcoleman]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

[RWE]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

Not to be overlooked is that the Dems, while condemning the (then) Bush tax cuts, were in complete control during 2009 and 2010 and could have ended the (now) Obama tax cuts immediately after Obama's inauguration.

[wbcoleman]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

Not to be overlooked is that the Dems, while condemning the (then) Bush tax cuts, were in complete control during 2009 and 2010 and could have ended the (now) Obama tax cuts immediately after Obama's inauguration.

They had super-majorities in both houses, did they not?

[Woody]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

Not to be overlooked is that the Dems, while condemning the (then) Bush tax cuts, were in complete control during 2009 and 2010 and could have ended the (now) Obama tax cuts immediately after Obama's inauguration.

They had super-majorities in both houses, did they not?

A de facto super majority.  58 dems, 1 indie who caucused with them, and a socialist democrat.   They floated between 59 and 60.

[wbcoleman]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

Not to be overlooked is that the Dems, while condemning the (then) Bush tax cuts, were in complete control during 2009 and 2010 and could have ended the (now) Obama tax cuts immediately after Obama's inauguration.

They had super-majorities in both houses, did they not?

A de facto super majority.  58 dems, 1 indie who caucused with them, and a socialist democrat.   They floated between 59 and 60.

They could have passed a tax bill with a simple majority, using reconciliation, could they not?

[Woody]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

Not to be overlooked is that the Dems, while condemning the (then) Bush tax cuts, were in complete control during 2009 and 2010 and could have ended the (now) Obama tax cuts immediately after Obama's inauguration.

They had super-majorities in both houses, did they not?

A de facto super majority.  58 dems, 1 indie who caucused with them, and a socialist democrat.   They floated between 59 and 60.

They could have passed a tax bill with a simple majority, using reconciliation, could they not?

Yup.  They twisted the rules to to use it to pass the ACA, I am sure they could have legitimately used it for the budget and taxes.

[wbcoleman]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

Not to be overlooked is that the Dems, while condemning the (then) Bush tax cuts, were in complete control during 2009 and 2010 and could have ended the (now) Obama tax cuts immediately after Obama's inauguration.

They had super-majorities in both houses, did they not?

A de facto super majority.  58 dems, 1 indie who caucused with them, and a socialist democrat.   They floated between 59 and 60.

They could have passed a tax bill with a simple majority, using reconciliation, could they not?

Yup.  They twisted the rules to to use it to pass the ACA, I am sure they could have legitimately used it for the budget and taxes.

Gee, I guess these facts really DO make them the Obama tax rates!

[clistensprechen]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

Bushies aren't long gone, though--Romney has recruited themas advisers. The stench of the long-gone Dubya persists as Romney increasingly resurrects him.

[wbcoleman]

Kentay, are there not any issues on the dem platform that are distasteful to you?  Coleman and I both will post about what we disagree with republicans about yet we find none about the dems from you.

Well, we know he supports maintenance of the concentration camp at Gitmo, right?

Yeah, and the Patriot Act, killing US Citizens with drones, and extending the tax rates in 2010.

You got 2 out of three. Drop that last one on taxes and you get it.

Not gonna happen.  I am not going to rewrite history to appease you.  Obama convinced His democratically controlled congress, with the help of fiscal democrats, to extend the tax rates.  He owns those tax rates.

So are we going to allow the Obama tax rates to expire?

And Dubya's. Plans are in place to go right off the cliff.  :cheers:

Hey, Dubya is long gone.  These rates have been in effect through the O Administration, inasmuch as he reenacted them in 2010.

Bushies aren't long gone, though--Romney has recruited themas advisers. The stench of the long-gone Dubya persists as Romney increasingly resurrects him.

but.... but.... as woody and I so thoroughly demonstrated, the Democrats EMBRACED the existing tax rates.  If they were so bad, why didn't they raise them when they could easily have done so?

[clistensprechen]

...except that Dems did NOT embrace the Dubya tax cuts.  The Dems that voted for it the first time around, the Blue Dogs, have been replaced, and the red dogs in the Senate insisted on a 60% majority by a joke of what they call a filibuster. Where the Dems dropped the ball is in their failure to invoke their version of the Republican "nuclear option" on filibusters.

I still wouldn't call that an embrace.