Could someone please help me understand the Republican, GOP logic?

[Woody]

Do you guys have to use the kentay font?

No

And you, RWE, do not hold an American position.  THIS is the American position:

You must have over-looked the line, "yearning to be free" It doesn't say yearning to take other people's money and bash their religious beliefs.

It would be impossible to bash your religious beliefs if they held true; since they don't I get ticked off when people want my children raised in a society where philosophy is based on nonsense. Leave the religion for those that want it but don't try and force it on others!

You are confusing a religious nation with this nation that gives you the right to choose any belief system, free of government interference, free of a national religion, and free of adverse repercussions.  You also have the liberty to choose not to belief in a religion, higher being, or a creator.  Free of government interference.  You are free to teach your children these beliefs.


Not sure what your gripe is other than a severe ignorance of what it means to have religious liberty in this country.

My gripe is ignorance peddled as liberty.
If there truly was religious freedom you would have the Scientology Tone Scale beside the Ten commandments next to the Pillar of Islam.
Pretending you have freedom from religion while permitting some schools not to teach subjects for which there is evidence (evolution), while insisting on teaching subjects for which there is no evidence (creationism) is not education and not religious freedom but brainwashing. (Texas etc.)

There is no "atheist" creation myth, atheists come from all different schools and have only one thing in common, they reject one more God than you do!

Your ignorance of the concept of the US Constitution is also on display.  Each individual state, under the constitution, has the right to determine it's needs and wants thru the true democratic process of state and local elections, ballot initiatives and propositions.  We are a REPUBLIC of 50 individual states.  Texas is a prefect example of what this country is about and our liberties in this respect.  So is California which is a mindset more of your liking.  Or New York.  You have the liberty to choose what state to live in based on issues.  Not a one size fits all solution for 350 million people.


Instead of forcing that one size fits all solution you have the freedom to move to a state that better suits your desires.

But there we differ markedly; I do not believe any society has the right to lie to their children. Telling children there is real evidence for any God or doctrine is a lie.

You realize that you just shot down your theory.  You mentioned an individual state issue.  The solution is don't live there.  Live in CA.

[Gnosisquest]

But there we differ markedly; I do not believe any society has the right to lie to their children. Telling children there is real evidence for any God or doctrine is a lie.

Wait a minute!  Are you claiming the right to step in and order parents to teach their children your ideology instead of their own?

No; I claim no public institution has the right to teach anyone any religious doctrine as fact.
To restrict what parents tell their children is asinine.

I also do not believe in teaching anyone as fact any subject whether politics, religion or the big bang.
It is a grave injustice to people not to have the ability to make up their own minds. I believe you teach what the evidence for your position and nothing else. I also believe you should teach people that there is no shame in not knowing something; lack of knowledge only means humanity can advance.

Truth is only learned when one has the freedom to find out. For example did you know Newtons laws are wrong?
Einsteins theories prove them wrong but they are close enough that engineers still use them for they are simpler.

Knowledge seems to be like a never ending road. Once one aspect is grasped there is a new vista opened up. If we were to force people to adopt anything as the ultimate truth we would bar the road of progress and in my opinion we need a lot of progress!

[wbcoleman]

But there we differ markedly; I do not believe any society has the right to lie to their children. Telling children there is real evidence for any God or doctrine is a lie.

Wait a minute!  Are you claiming the right to step in and order parents to teach their children your ideology instead of their own?

No; I claim no public institution has the right to teach anyone any religious doctrine as fact.
To restrict what parents tell their children is asinine.

I also do not believe in teaching anyone as fact any subject whether politics, religion or the big bang.
It is a grave injustice to people not to have the ability to make up their own minds. I believe you teach what the evidence for your position and nothing else. I also believe you should teach people that there is no shame in not knowing something; lack of knowledge only means humanity can advance.

Truth is only learned when one has the freedom to find out. For example did you know Newtons laws are wrong?
Einsteins theories prove them wrong but they are close enough that engineers still use them for they are simpler.

Knowledge seems to be like a never ending road. Once one aspect is grasped there is a new vista opened up. If we were to force people to adopt anything as the ultimate truth we would bar the road of progress and in my opinion we need a lot of progress!

Okay, fine.