Fight Off the Imaginary Obama!

[kentay]

Fight Off the Imaginary Obama!
by Michael Tomasky on  Sep 2, 2012

From gutting welfare to Medicare lies, Michael Tomasky on five myths Obama needs to dispel about himself.http://www.thedailybeast.com/election.html

[Woody]

1.  I agree that making the claim that he is gutting Medicare is a stretch.  Did from the get go.  I don't think any state has requested a waiver with alternate plans.  What is a valid argument is that Obama is circumventing Congress once again and creating a law.


2.  Saying Romney is going to " wack" Medicare is pure speculation, along the lines that Obama is gutting welfare.  If he incorporates the Ryan plan, and has indicated he will, we have both posted from the same article claiming that out of pocket expenses will be about the same under BOTH candidates. 


3.  To hear Obama speeches one is led to believe that yes, in fact government is the mighty savior of the private sector.  JFK, Reagan, and Clinton all showed that when government gets out of the way the private sector soars.  So did bush in his first six or seven years.


4.  The stimulus was a failure by the administrations own goals.  First, it was sold as a program to keep unemployment below 8.  It soared to ten and is holding steady at 8.3 or so.  GDP was projected to be double.  It has been less.  Shovel ready jobs?  Laughed off.  Revenues to treasury?  Less.  So yes, it failed.


5.  I don't think Obama is a nice guy in the political context.  Over his head?  Maybe.  I think it is more an issue of an academic unable to realize that his ideas don't work in the real world.  As Obama said if he didn't have the mess cleaned up in three years he did not deserve a second term.

[kentay]

1.  I agree that making the claim that he is gutting Medicare is a stretch.  Did from the get go.  I don't think any state has requested a waiver with alternate plans.  What is a valid argument is that Obama is circumventing Congress once again and creating a law.


2.  Saying Romney is going to " wack" Medicare is pure speculation, along the lines that Obama is gutting welfare.  If he incorporates the Ryan plan, and has indicated he will, we have both posted from the same article claiming that out of pocket expenses will be about the same under BOTH candidates. 


3.  To hear Obama speeches one is led to believe that yes, in fact government is the mighty savior of the private sector.  JFK, Reagan, and Clinton all showed that when government gets out of the way the private sector soars.  So did bush in his first six or seven years.


4.  The stimulus was a failure by the administrations own goals.  First, it was sold as a program to keep unemployment below 8.  It soared to ten and is holding steady at 8.3 or so.  GDP was projected to be double.  It has been less.  Shovel ready jobs?  Laughed off.  Revenues to treasury?  Less.  So yes, it failed.


5.  I don't think Obama is a nice guy in the political context.  Over his head?  Maybe.  I think it is more an issue of an academic unable to realize that his ideas don't work in the real world.  As Obama said if he didn't have the mess cleaned up in three years he did not deserve a second term.

And your facts or proof to back up your words are ????????????????????????????? where? kentay

[Woody]

1.  I agree that making the claim that he is gutting Medicare is a stretch.  Did from the get go.  I don't think any state has requested a waiver with alternate plans.  What is a valid argument is that Obama is circumventing Congress once again and creating a law.


2.  Saying Romney is going to " wack" Medicare is pure speculation, along the lines that Obama is gutting welfare.  If he incorporates the Ryan plan, and has indicated he will, we have both posted from the same article claiming that out of pocket expenses will be about the same under BOTH candidates. 


3.  To hear Obama speeches one is led to believe that yes, in fact government is the mighty savior of the private sector.  JFK, Reagan, and Clinton all showed that when government gets out of the way the private sector soars.  So did bush in his first six or seven years.


4.  The stimulus was a failure by the administrations own goals.  First, it was sold as a program to keep unemployment below 8.  It soared to ten and is holding steady at 8.3 or so.  GDP was projected to be double.  It has been less.  Shovel ready jobs?  Laughed off.  Revenues to treasury?  Less.  So yes, it failed.


5.  I don't think Obama is a nice guy in the political context.  Over his head?  Maybe.  I think it is more an issue of an academic unable to realize that his ideas don't work in the real world.  As Obama said if he didn't have the mess cleaned up in three years he did not deserve a second term.

And your facts or proof to back up your words are ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? where?

You disagree with number one huh?  I am sorry.  After reading the OP and seeing no linked facts, I ASSumed this was an opinion thread. 


Gotta luv kentay, huh?

[clistensprechen]

Definitely love kentay. Love all the cons here too, especially those who insist that Eastwood wasn't an embarrassment to the GOP. Each time Clint made mention of "can't do that to himself" he was referencing the Dubya Regime's Dick Cheney, not Obama.  Eastwood might have claimed it was Obama, but it was Cheney. XD

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-06-25/politics/cheney.leahy_1_leahy-vice-president-dick-cheney-cnn?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

[Woody]

Definitely love kentay. Love all the cons here too, especially those who insist that Eastwood wasn't an embarrassment to the GOP. Each time Clint made mention of "can't do that to himself" he was referencing the Dubya Regime's Dick Cheney, not Obama.  Eastwood might have claimed it was Obama, but it was Cheney. XD

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-06-25/politics/cheney.leahy_1_leahy-vice-president-dick-cheney-cnn?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

Poor Clara.  She bases her opinion on how she wants reality to be, not how reality is.

[clistensprechen]

Talking to yourself again, Woody....or to an empty chair.  The reality is that the only person who publicly told somebody to **** himself was Dick Cheney. Obama never said such a thing to anybody.

[Woody]

Talking to yourself again, Woody....or to an empty chair.  The reality is that the only person who publicly told somebody to **** himself was Dick Cheney. Obama never said such a thing to anybody.

Lmao!  Dick Cheney?  Irrelevant.  Has nothing to do with this. 

[clistensprechen]

Talking to yourself again, Woody....or to an empty chair.  The reality is that the only person who publicly told somebody to **** himself was Dick Cheney. Obama never said such a thing to anybody.

Lmao!  Dick Cheney?  Irrelevant.  Has nothing to do with this.

It was Clint Eastwood who brought him up at no less than the grand ole GOP convention. Suck it. 

[Woody]

Talking to yourself again, Woody....or to an empty chair.  The reality is that the only person who publicly told somebody to **** himself was Dick Cheney. Obama never said such a thing to anybody.

Lmao!  Dick Cheney?  Irrelevant.  Has nothing to do with this.

It was Clint Eastwood who brought him up at no less than the grand ole GOP convention. Suck it. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57503994-503544/clint-eastwoods-gop-convention-speech-full-transcript/




Where?  You are trying to change the subject.  You lied. 

[clistensprechen]

Woody, you're a hoot. Cheney was the dick who got before the Senate with an invocation of what a senator could do to himself, and nobody really forgot that.

[Woody]

Woody, you're a hoot. Cheney was the dick who got before the Senate with an invocation of what a senator could do to himself, and nobody really forgot that.

Who the **** cares Obamabot?  We are discussing Clint Eastwood who never referenced or mentioned Cheney. 


You were wrong.  You got in jamb and are now trying to change the subject.  Admit it.  And move on toots.

[kentay]

Woody, you're a hoot. Cheney was the dick who got before the Senate with an invocation of what a senator could do to himself, and nobody really forgot that.

Who the **** cares Obamabot?  We are discussing Clint Eastwood who never referenced or mentioned Cheney. 


You were wrong.  You got in jamb and are now trying to change the subject.  Admit it.  And move on toots.

You can always tell when you gotten the best of Woody, here comes the cuss words. I must give him credit because he's been in better control of his nasty temper and cussing,  since he's been on this DB.  kentay    :applause:

[Woody]

Woody, you're a hoot. Cheney was the dick who got before the Senate with an invocation of what a senator could do to himself, and nobody really forgot that.

Who the **** cares Obamabot?  We are discussing Clint Eastwood who never referenced or mentioned Cheney. 


You were wrong.  You got in jamb and are now trying to change the subject.  Admit it.  And move on toots.

You can always tell when you gotten the best of Woody, here comes the cuss words. I must give him credit because he's been in better control of his nasty temper and cussing,  since he's been on this DB.  kentay    :applause:

LMassO!  I cuss when happy, when sad, when mad, when hurt.  When getting shot at, or falling out the sky.


You are funny kentay. 

[kentay]

Woody, you're a hoot. Cheney was the dick who got before the Senate with an invocation of what a senator could do to himself, and nobody really forgot that.

Who the **** cares Obamabot?  We are discussing Clint Eastwood who never referenced or mentioned Cheney. 


You were wrong.  You got in jamb and are now trying to change the subject.  Admit it.  And move on toots.

You can always tell when you gotten the best of Woody, here comes the cuss words. I must give him credit because he's been in better control of his nasty temper and cussing,  since he's been on this DB.  kentay    :applause:

LMassO!  I cuss when happy, when sad, when mad, when hurt.  When getting shot at, or falling out the sky.


You are funny kentay.

Another of your lies Woody, don't forget I have some of your old postal outbrust. kentay