So, ARE You Better Off than You Were Four Years Ago?

[wbcoleman]

kentay wins this round because, as I said, I just posted the stuff Axelrod plus others he didn't mention. You can read English, wbcoleman, and I just outdid Axelrod in this thread alone.

Putting kentay's hypocritical comments aside, I would summarize Ax as saying, "Hell no, of course not, BUT IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT."

[wbcoleman]

kentay wins this round because, as I said, I just posted the stuff Axelrod plus others he didn't mention. You can read English, wbcoleman, and I just outdid Axelrod in this thread alone.

Putting kentay's hypocritical comments aside, I would summarize Ax as saying, "Hell no, of course not, BUT IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT."

Dittos!




By Meghashyam Mali - 09/02/12 12:12 PM ET

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/247109-dem-gov-omalley-voters-not-better-off-than-four-years-ago

[clistensprechen]

kentay wins this round because, as I said, I just posted the stuff Axelrod plus others he didn't mention. You can read English, wbcoleman, and I just outdid Axelrod in this thread alone.

Putting kentay's hypocritical comments aside, I would summarize Ax as saying, "Hell no, of course not, BUT IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT."

Well, he's only half correct. It IS all Bush's fault but it's ALSO the fault of the Party whose rubber stamp he was. We're talking not only Dubya but Dubya's Party, as in The Architect (who hasn't gone away) and Tricky Dicky Cheney. Et al. Even Ashcroft didn't want to play that game for very long.

[Woody]

kentay wins this round because, as I said, I just posted the stuff Axelrod plus others he didn't mention. You can read English, wbcoleman, and I just outdid Axelrod in this thread alone.

Putting kentay's hypocritical comments aside, I would summarize Ax as saying, "Hell no, of course not, BUT IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT."

Well, he's only half correct. It IS all Bush's fault but it's ALSO the fault of the Party whose rubber stamp he was. We're talking not only Dubya but Dubya's Party, as in The Architect (who hasn't gone away) and Tricky Dicky Cheney. Et al. Even Ashcroft didn't want to play that game for very long.

Neither are in the ballot. 




Can you name which policies, specifically, that bush is responsible for that caused the economic meltdown?  Which policies did he implement WITHOUT congress passing a law. 


Then, when Pelosi Reid took the reigns of congress in January of 2007 what laws did they pass that would have minimized the damage? 


Thanks.

[clistensprechen]

Woody, pay attention when I say (and repeat) that Dubya was just a rubber stamp for a Congress that ran itself like a Politburo with Dubya its Premiere. The problem wasn't so much Dubya as it was his Party.  You know, the same Party that wants the keys to the republic back so it can run it further into the ground with the same ole ****.  The Architect ain't running but he's still Architecting. He ain't retired, and he's still a part of the problem.

[Woody]

Woody, pay attention when I say (and repeat) that Dubya was just a rubber stamp for a Congress that ran itself like a Politburo with Dubya its Premiere. The problem wasn't so much Dubya as it was his Party.  You know, the same Party that wants the keys to the republic back so it can run it further into the ground with the same ole ****.  The Architect ain't running but he's still Architecting. He ain't retired, and he's still a part of the problem.

Clara, read this very carefully.  If you can not understand it get someone to explained it to you.  You blamed bush, so I asked you to post the specific policies that bush was responsible for and now you claim he was a rubber stamp for congress.  Now you claim it was congress.  So, tell us what specific policies that congress turned into laws that bush signed to create the mess we are in almost 4 years since he left office.


You would think that Clara could post these laws that congress passed.  Shouldn't be that hard.


Next, I asked you what the democrats proposed when taking it over in 2007 that would have reversed  the trend.  Still nothing.


Bush is not on the ballot.

[wbcoleman]

I actually have some sympathy for clara's position on this.  Just as O subcontracted his domestic legislative agenda to Nancy Pelosi, I can see the argument that Dubya subcontracted his to Tom Delay.

[Woody]

I actually have some sympathy for clara's position on this.  Just as O subcontracted his domestic legislative agenda to Nancy Pelosi, I can see the argument that Dubya subcontracted his to Tom Delay.

Maybe, but I would love Clara if she could give us some policies to discuss.  Details are such troublesome things to Clara.

[clistensprechen]

Woody, pay attention when I say (and repeat) that Dubya was just a rubber stamp for a Congress that ran itself like a Politburo with Dubya its Premiere. The problem wasn't so much Dubya as it was his Party.  You know, the same Party that wants the keys to the republic back so it can run it further into the ground with the same ole ****.  The Architect ain't running but he's still Architecting. He ain't retired, and he's still a part of the problem.

Clara, read this very carefully.  If you can not understand it get someone to explained it to you.  You blamed bush, so I asked you to post the specific policies that bush was responsible for and now you claim he was a rubber stamp for congress.  Now you claim it was congress.  So, tell us what specific policies that congress turned into laws that bush signed to create the mess we are in almost 4 years since he left office.


You would think that Clara could post these laws that congress passed.  Shouldn't be that hard.


Next, I asked you what the democrats proposed when taking it over in 2007 that would have reversed  the trend.  Still nothing.


Bush is not on the ballot.

I ain't up for doing heavy research at this time of night, hon. I was basically agreeing with you that it's not Dubya's fault EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE DIDN'T VETO ANY OF THE BILLS THAT POLITBURO CONGRESS SENT TO  HIS DESK. He rubber stamped every single one of 'em like a good li'l party boy.

And I'll grant you that a lot of the financial problems coming home to roost began with Reagan and I know, he's not running for office either.  My point:

IT'S THE PARTY'S FAULT, AND YOU WANT US TO PUT THE PARTY WHOSE FAULT IT IS BACK IN POWER.

[kentay]

I saw the Interview live and I thought it was really good. As usual the GOP takes one word out of context and runs with it. Let us see what Democratic Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley really said. It's about half way into the video, enjoy. kentay

Video: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7420250n

[wbcoleman]

Woody, pay attention when I say (and repeat) that Dubya was just a rubber stamp for a Congress that ran itself like a Politburo with Dubya its Premiere. The problem wasn't so much Dubya as it was his Party.  You know, the same Party that wants the keys to the republic back so it can run it further into the ground with the same ole ****.  The Architect ain't running but he's still Architecting. He ain't retired, and he's still a part of the problem.

Clara, read this very carefully.  If you can not understand it get someone to explained it to you.  You blamed bush, so I asked you to post the specific policies that bush was responsible for and now you claim he was a rubber stamp for congress.  Now you claim it was congress.  So, tell us what specific policies that congress turned into laws that bush signed to create the mess we are in almost 4 years since he left office.

You would think that Clara could post these laws that congress passed.  Shouldn't be that hard.

Next, I asked you what the democrats proposed when taking it over in 2007 that would have reversed  the trend.  Still nothing.

Bush is not on the ballot.

I ain't up for doing heavy research at this time of night, hon. I was basically agreeing with you that it's not Dubya's fault EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE DIDN'T VETO ANY OF THE BILLS THAT POLITBURO CONGRESS SENT TO  HIS DESK. He rubber stamped every single one of 'em like a good li'l party boy.

And I'll grant you that a lot of the financial problems coming home to roost began with Reagan and I know, he's not running for office either.  My point:

IT'S THE PARTY'S FAULT, AND YOU WANT US TO PUT THE PARTY WHOSE FAULT IT IS BACK IN POWER.

Reagan actually had to clean up the Savings & Loan mess left over from the Carter era, did he not?  And the roots of the 2007-2008 crisis lie, at least in part, from the 1990's.

[Woody]

Woody, pay attention when I say (and repeat) that Dubya was just a rubber stamp for a Congress that ran itself like a Politburo with Dubya its Premiere. The problem wasn't so much Dubya as it was his Party.  You know, the same Party that wants the keys to the republic back so it can run it further into the ground with the same ole ****.  The Architect ain't running but he's still Architecting. He ain't retired, and he's still a part of the problem.

Clara, read this very carefully.  If you can not understand it get someone to explained it to you.  You blamed bush, so I asked you to post the specific policies that bush was responsible for and now you claim he was a rubber stamp for congress.  Now you claim it was congress.  So, tell us what specific policies that congress turned into laws that bush signed to create the mess we are in almost 4 years since he left office.

You would think that Clara could post these laws that congress passed.  Shouldn't be that hard.

Next, I asked you what the democrats proposed when taking it over in 2007 that would have reversed  the trend.  Still nothing.

Bush is not on the ballot.

I ain't up for doing heavy research at this time of night, hon. I was basically agreeing with you that it's not Dubya's fault EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE DIDN'T VETO ANY OF THE BILLS THAT POLITBURO CONGRESS SENT TO  HIS DESK. He rubber stamped every single one of 'em like a good li'l party boy.

And I'll grant you that a lot of the financial problems coming home to roost began with Reagan and I know, he's not running for office either.  My point:

IT'S THE PARTY'S FAULT, AND YOU WANT US TO PUT THE PARTY WHOSE FAULT IT IS BACK IN POWER.

Reagan actually had to clean up the Savings & Loan mess left over from the Carter era, did he not?  And the roots of the 2007-2008 crisis lie, at least in part, from the 1990's.

I don't recall Reagan blaming his predecessor continuously either or making excuses.

[wbcoleman]

Woody, pay attention when I say (and repeat) that Dubya was just a rubber stamp for a Congress that ran itself like a Politburo with Dubya its Premiere. The problem wasn't so much Dubya as it was his Party.  You know, the same Party that wants the keys to the republic back so it can run it further into the ground with the same ole ****.  The Architect ain't running but he's still Architecting. He ain't retired, and he's still a part of the problem.

Clara, read this very carefully.  If you can not understand it get someone to explained it to you.  You blamed bush, so I asked you to post the specific policies that bush was responsible for and now you claim he was a rubber stamp for congress.  Now you claim it was congress.  So, tell us what specific policies that congress turned into laws that bush signed to create the mess we are in almost 4 years since he left office.

You would think that Clara could post these laws that congress passed.  Shouldn't be that hard.

Next, I asked you what the democrats proposed when taking it over in 2007 that would have reversed  the trend.  Still nothing.

Bush is not on the ballot.

I ain't up for doing heavy research at this time of night, hon. I was basically agreeing with you that it's not Dubya's fault EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE DIDN'T VETO ANY OF THE BILLS THAT POLITBURO CONGRESS SENT TO  HIS DESK. He rubber stamped every single one of 'em like a good li'l party boy.

And I'll grant you that a lot of the financial problems coming home to roost began with Reagan and I know, he's not running for office either.  My point:

IT'S THE PARTY'S FAULT, AND YOU WANT US TO PUT THE PARTY WHOSE FAULT IT IS BACK IN POWER.

Reagan actually had to clean up the Savings & Loan mess left over from the Carter era, did he not?  And the roots of the 2007-2008 crisis lie, at least in part, from the 1990's.

I don't recall Reagan blaming his predecessor continuously either or making excuses.

Yeah, I think he mostly devoted himself to cleaning up the mess.

[clistensprechen]

Woody, pay attention when I say (and repeat) that Dubya was just a rubber stamp for a Congress that ran itself like a Politburo with Dubya its Premiere. The problem wasn't so much Dubya as it was his Party.  You know, the same Party that wants the keys to the republic back so it can run it further into the ground with the same ole ****.  The Architect ain't running but he's still Architecting. He ain't retired, and he's still a part of the problem.

Clara, read this very carefully.  If you can not understand it get someone to explained it to you.  You blamed bush, so I asked you to post the specific policies that bush was responsible for and now you claim he was a rubber stamp for congress.  Now you claim it was congress.  So, tell us what specific policies that congress turned into laws that bush signed to create the mess we are in almost 4 years since he left office.

You would think that Clara could post these laws that congress passed.  Shouldn't be that hard.

Next, I asked you what the democrats proposed when taking it over in 2007 that would have reversed  the trend.  Still nothing.

Bush is not on the ballot.

I ain't up for doing heavy research at this time of night, hon. I was basically agreeing with you that it's not Dubya's fault EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE DIDN'T VETO ANY OF THE BILLS THAT POLITBURO CONGRESS SENT TO  HIS DESK. He rubber stamped every single one of 'em like a good li'l party boy.

And I'll grant you that a lot of the financial problems coming home to roost began with Reagan and I know, he's not running for office either.  My point:

IT'S THE PARTY'S FAULT, AND YOU WANT US TO PUT THE PARTY WHOSE FAULT IT IS BACK IN POWER.

Reagan actually had to clean up the Savings & Loan mess left over from the Carter era, did he not?  And the roots of the 2007-2008 crisis lie, at least in part, from the 1990's.

No he did not, and here's a reminder that prominent members of his party (same party that wrecked the economy under Dubya) were indicted.

Thank you for bringing up yet another reason to avoid giving Republicans any power.  :wuv:

[clistensprechen]

Woody, pay attention when I say (and repeat) that Dubya was just a rubber stamp for a Congress that ran itself like a Politburo with Dubya its Premiere. The problem wasn't so much Dubya as it was his Party.  You know, the same Party that wants the keys to the republic back so it can run it further into the ground with the same ole ****.  The Architect ain't running but he's still Architecting. He ain't retired, and he's still a part of the problem.

Clara, read this very carefully.  If you can not understand it get someone to explained it to you.  You blamed bush, so I asked you to post the specific policies that bush was responsible for and now you claim he was a rubber stamp for congress.  Now you claim it was congress.  So, tell us what specific policies that congress turned into laws that bush signed to create the mess we are in almost 4 years since he left office.

You would think that Clara could post these laws that congress passed.  Shouldn't be that hard.

Next, I asked you what the democrats proposed when taking it over in 2007 that would have reversed  the trend.  Still nothing.

Bush is not on the ballot.

I ain't up for doing heavy research at this time of night, hon. I was basically agreeing with you that it's not Dubya's fault EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE DIDN'T VETO ANY OF THE BILLS THAT POLITBURO CONGRESS SENT TO  HIS DESK. He rubber stamped every single one of 'em like a good li'l party boy.

And I'll grant you that a lot of the financial problems coming home to roost began with Reagan and I know, he's not running for office either.  My point:

IT'S THE PARTY'S FAULT, AND YOU WANT US TO PUT THE PARTY WHOSE FAULT IT IS BACK IN POWER.

Reagan actually had to clean up the Savings & Loan mess left over from the Carter era, did he not?  And the roots of the 2007-2008 crisis lie, at least in part, from the 1990's.

I don't recall Reagan blaming his predecessor continuously either or making excuses.

Yeah, I think he mostly devoted himself to cleaning up the mess.

Except that he didn't. Instead he laid the foundation of the wreckage the Republican Party has committed against American citizens ever since.