Aurora Might Do What Fast & Furious Couldn't

[donni]

run, run, run!

[donni]

you asked what i think, coleman...i think it stinks to high heaven along with all wars. and we are still there!

"I asked people when they thought the Gulf War was going to end?
"End?" I was asked. "Why, everyone knows, it ended years and years ago."

"Oh? Then why are there several thousand American troops still in Bosnia, The Gulf Region, Kosovo, and Korea?"

Sigh. Most people thought we only had a couple of hundred troops there. So I asked about Bosnia. You know? The country that President Clinton promised we would only stay in for a maximum of one year? 75 percent of those present did not know we had thousands of troops in Bosnia. Several thought we only had a few hundred still in Kosovo.

For that matter, how about the Korean War? That war "ended" nearly 50 years ago, and we have several thousand troops stationed there to keep it from flaring up again.

The cameras go home, but the troops remain silently behind. A complete listing of the military combat deployments of the past 10 years would shock most civilians. Many can't believe that we are still deployed to many of these places."- http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deploymentsconflicts/l/aadoyouknow.htm

[Woody]

you asked what i think, coleman...i think it stinks to high heaven along with all wars. and we are still there!

"I asked people when they thought the Gulf War was going to end?
"End?" I was asked. "Why, everyone knows, it ended years and years ago."

"Oh? Then why are there several thousand American troops still in Bosnia, The Gulf Region, Kosovo, and Korea?"

Sigh. Most people thought we only had a couple of hundred troops there. So I asked about Bosnia. You know? The country that President Clinton promised we would only stay in for a maximum of one year? 75 percent of those present did not know we had thousands of troops in Bosnia. Several thought we only had a few hundred still in Kosovo.

For that matter, how about the Korean War? That war "ended" nearly 50 years ago, and we have several thousand troops stationed there to keep it from flaring up again.

The cameras go home, but the troops remain silently behind. A complete listing of the military combat deployments of the past 10 years would shock most civilians. Many can't believe that we are still deployed to many of these places."- http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deploymentsconflicts/l/aadoyouknow.htm

donni, Bosnia, Korea and Kosovo are poor examples of your initial claims that we are a warring nation that steals the resources of the poor.  What resources do they have donni?  Be careful how you answer donni.  I have been to two of those place extensively. 

[donni]

you asked what i think, coleman...i think it stinks to high heaven along with all wars. and we are still there!

"I asked people when they thought the Gulf War was going to end?
"End?" I was asked. "Why, everyone knows, it ended years and years ago."

"Oh? Then why are there several thousand American troops still in Bosnia, The Gulf Region, Kosovo, and Korea?"

Sigh. Most people thought we only had a couple of hundred troops there. So I asked about Bosnia. You know? The country that President Clinton promised we would only stay in for a maximum of one year? 75 percent of those present did not know we had thousands of troops in Bosnia. Several thought we only had a few hundred still in Kosovo.

For that matter, how about the Korean War? That war "ended" nearly 50 years ago, and we have several thousand troops stationed there to keep it from flaring up again.

The cameras go home, but the troops remain silently behind. A complete listing of the military combat deployments of the past 10 years would shock most civilians. Many can't believe that we are still deployed to many of these places."- http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deploymentsconflicts/l/aadoyouknow.htm

donni, Bosnia, Korea and Kosovo are poor examples of your initial claims that we are a warring nation that steals the resources of the poor.  What resources do they have donni?  Be careful how you answer donni.  I have been to two of those place extensively.

woody, why do you pretend? i already answered your question. you're either pretending to avoid meaningful conversation, or you need to read over the last few responses i made to YOU-not coleman. this last was in response to him, not you.

but if u must know, the resource is humans-mostly women and children. they are prostituted-made slave. and the routes to keep it flowing. and then there's all those dead-more for them! they believe there are too many on the planet-so they r snuffing them out where ever easy and profitable. clinton wanted a war to make himself look good to the war hawks, and the humanitarians-as if.

[donni]

and then there are the mines and coal-

http://www.iacenter.org/folder04/kosovo_mines.htm

[donni]

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/trep-j28.shtml

[wbcoleman]

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/200005--.htm

Yeah, "uncontroversially" the massacre at Precaz occurred on February 26, 1998.  I won't bother to post pictures:

http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/prekaz.htm

What do you think you accomplish by posting crap from Noam Chomsky and other agitprop sources?  Give us a break!

[donni]

i must note how woody allows coleman to do his talking for him and runs from the debate.

[wbcoleman]

i must note how woody allows coleman to do his talking for him and runs from the debate.

donni, who wants to argue with agitprop?

[donni]

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/200005--.htm

Yeah, "uncontroversially" the massacre at Precaz occurred on February 26, 1998.  I won't bother to post pictures:

http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/prekaz.htm

What do you think you accomplish by posting crap from Noam Chomsky and other agitprop sources?  Give us a break!

i realize that truth is subjective, coleman. the point remains however, that dead is dead and bombing kills as many as the massacre -so what good does it do? stupid way to end a dispute or end atrocity. there is as much atrocity in bombing people as there is in killing them with a gun or knife, etc. we solve nothing doing this. except to make the rich richer. war does nothing but shift control of resources from the people in general to greedy capitalists who care not what lie they need tell to manipulate or how many they kill in pretense of defense.

[wbcoleman]

i realize that truth is subjective, coleman. the point remains however, that dead is dead and bombing kills as many as the massacre -so what good does it do? stupid way to end a dispute or end atrocity. there is as much atrocity in bombing people as there is in killing them with a gun or knife, etc. we solve nothing doing this. except to make the rich richer. war does nothing but shift control of resources from the people in general to greedy capitalists who care not what lie they need tell to manipulate or how many they kill in pretense of defense.

There is absolutely nothing "subjective" about the truth.

You claimed that, "Uncontroversially, the vast crimes took place after the bombing began: they were not a cause but a consequence."  That was an untruth, as I demonstrated.  I believe the agitprop you posted was riddled with untruths.  Its central proposition is a vicious lie.  Objectively.

[donni]

i realize that truth is subjective, coleman. the point remains however, that dead is dead and bombing kills as many as the massacre -so what good does it do? stupid way to end a dispute or end atrocity. there is as much atrocity in bombing people as there is in killing them with a gun or knife, etc. we solve nothing doing this. except to make the rich richer. war does nothing but shift control of resources from the people in general to greedy capitalists who care not what lie they need tell to manipulate or how many they kill in pretense of defense.

There is absolutely nothing "subjective" about the truth.

You claimed that, "Uncontroversially, the vast crimes took place after the bombing began: they were not a cause but a consequence."  That was an untruth, as I demonstrated.  I believe the agitprop you posted was riddled with untruths.  Its central proposition is a vicious lie.  Objectively.

the truth as we can know it from reading the internet i should have said. and yes the 'truth' can be subjective by perspective, for one. but that is another argument.

just because this crime you present is true at least in as much as those people in those photographs ARE dead, horribly, does not mean that the above statement is a lie. if we, for example' sake, say that there were maybe 300 dead in those photos, but 3000 are dead now, after the bombing-than the VAST number of crimes took place during and after the bombing. capiche? war is a lie. a lie for theft. always. doesn't the bible you covet so much tell you that to covet your neighbors stuff is a sin?

[donni]

[clistensprechen]

Okay guys, here's a factoid for ya: war profiteering. It has a definition, and donni's onto the reason why the term exists at all.

[donni]

i'm talking about covert and not so covert 'operations' by...well, only god knows all the entities that get in on this game (cia, fbi, individual politicians- dims and repugs, anyone interested in hegemony) but bet your bottom they are all capitalist trying to be shakers and movers by hook or crook...in order to stir up 'troubles' so that they can come riding in to 'save' something...all the while -eyes on the prize. it's disgusting-considering all the dead innocents. just like they try and discredit occupy with provocateurs. they twist perceptions and therefore, the 'truth' as well.

and even if the 'troubles' are truly 'homegrown' the capitalists have a nasty habit of seeing it as an 'opportunity' and turning into a war if it has 'anything' it wants.  even water is a precious commodity and there is a 'war' going on about it as the capitalists just see another opportunity to make profit on a 'shortage'- on human need and misery. i'm sick of their b.s. excuses and reasonings-their 'interests'. this world is not a forever expanding 'opportunity' to profit from, but more like a space ship we are all together in. the way it is being 'governed' is ridiculous and actually suicidal.