Aurora Might Do What Fast & Furious Couldn't

[clistensprechen]

Bring on the discussion of how insane the 2nd Amendment is in today's age. Guns don't kill people--gun nuts with guns kill people. Lots of them. In a theatre about to premier The Dark Knight Rises.

Was the Aurora CO gun nut a fan of Limbaugh's and thought that Bain/Bane was an issue worth murdering over? Nuts, by definition, make no sense, but nuts do have a trigger.

NRA: the Protector of Nuts and Organized Crime. Time for sane people to do something to curtail the insane in power positions.

[Woody]

1.  Your first point is worth discussion but not until you winnow down the options to a few discussion points.  This discussion is multifaceted with many scenarios.  Present some solutions.


2. You are soulless twit attempting to politicize a horrible incident for political gain.  you morons tried this with the time square bomber.  You were wrong.  The guy who flew the plane into the IRS BUILDING.  YOU WERE WRONG.  you tried it with Giffords.  YOU WERE WRONG.  You tried this with the Holocaust museum.  YOU WERE WRONG.  STFU on this crap.


3.  If you took guns away from law abiding citizens what the **** in your demented mind thinks that the criminals won't have them?  They are criminals ya loon!

[Woody]

These people may disagree with you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGFZDhCjvj0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Woody]

These people may disagree with you:

COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=181270

[Woody]

These people may disagree with you:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting
The shootingOn January 16, 2002, 43-year-old Nigerian former student Peter Odighizuwa[1][2] arrived on the Appalachian School of Law campus with a handgun.[3] Odighizuwa first discussed his academic problems with professor Dale Rubin, where he reportedly told Rubin to pray for him.[3] Odighizuwa returned to the school around 1:00 p.m. and proceeded to the offices of Dean Anthony Sutin and Professor Thomas Blackwell, where he opened fire with a .380 ACPsemi-automatic handgun. According to a county coroner, powder burns indicated that both victims were shot at point blank range.[3] Also killed was student Angela Dales. Three students were wounded.
When Odighizuwa left the building where the shooting took place, he was approached by two students with personal firearms[4] and one unarmed student.[5] There are two versions of the events that transpired at that moment, one by Tracy Bridges and one by Ted Besen.

[Woody]

Plug the following into google.  I bet they woul disagree with you:

homeowner shoots intruder

[Ted S]

And I suspect that the citizens of a nation run by a brutal dictator are kinda warm to the idea of bearing arms because I've heard that on rare occasion dictators won't step down even when you say pretty please.

Here's a Q & A concerning the 2nd amendment:

http://libertyzone.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/the-2nd-amendment-remedy/

[donni]

 "If you took guns away from law abiding citizens what the **** in your demented mind thinks that the criminals won't have them?  They are criminals ya loon!"-woody

i'll agree to that and take it to where our forefather's took it. the gov't itself can be full of criminals! what do you think they would do to us all if we were unable to defend ourselves? to at least put a bullet in our own heads should they try and make us SLAVE? wasn't that what the american revolution was about? our forefather's did not want us to become a country full of slaves for the british empire. and we don't want to become slaves for the american empire, either.

empire IS CRIMINAL!

[wbcoleman]

Bring on the discussion of how insane the 2nd Amendment is in today's age. Guns don't kill people--gun nuts with guns kill people. Lots of them. In a theatre about to premier The Dark Knight Rises.

Was the Aurora CO gun nut a fan of Limbaugh's and thought that Bain/Bane was an issue worth murdering over? Nuts, by definition, make no sense, but nuts do have a trigger.

NRA: the Protector of Nuts and Organized Crime. Time for sane people to do something to curtail the insane in power positions.

You plan to attack El Rushbo every time a mass murderer appears.  Cool!

[RWE]

Aurora Might Do What Fast & Furious Couldn't

NRA: the Protector of Nuts and Organized Crime. Time for sane people to do something to curtail the insane in power positions.

Barrack Obama: the Provider of Guns to Organized Crime. Time for sane people to do something to curtail the insane in power positions.

[clistensprechen]

I just ask the questions and post my opinions, and I am not alone in my opinions.

Discussions involve bringing up issue points, not ad hominems Woody. Calling people names fails to persuade anyone to your side of the debate, so you might consider a different tactic. 

Namecalling just isn't persuasive no matter what side you're on.

Persuade me.

If you dare.

[Woody]

I just ask the questions and post my opinions, and I am not alone in my opinions.

Discussions involve bringing up issue points, not ad hominems Woody. Calling people names fails to persuade anyone to your side of the debate, so you might consider a different tactic. 

Namecalling just isn't persuasive no matter what side you're on.

Persuade me
If you dare.

Not sure what you are talking about.  Clara, those who attempt to turn these horrible acts into attacks and political fodder are soulless twits. 


With that said I gave you example after example of people who would disagree with your knee jerk reaction.  You called the 2nd amendment insane yet you failed to give details.  I gave example after example of events where the people involved would call you insane.  So what is your solution?  Calling it insane is not a solution.


So, give some details.  What are you proposing.  What are YOUR Issue points. As I said calling the 2nd amendment insane is not an issue point.


Your turn to offer discussion and issue points.  I gave numerous examples.

[clistensprechen]

Well, I'm not everybody's saviour. This is a call for everyone to put ideas on the table, not just me. I posit the 2nd Amendment vis a vis gun control as the issue to discuss. It is up for discussion.

Let's arrive at a solution, shall we?  I doubt that the person who pulled the trigger regarded himself as soulless. Rather, I figure that he figured he was justified in what he did, by whatever justification (rationalization) he applied to thinking that his actions were a good idea at the time, twisted or not.

Up for examination is what is it about our laws that permits this sort of thing, repeatedly.

[Woody]

Well, I'm not everybody's saviour. This is a call for everyone to put ideas on the table, not just me. I posit the 2nd Amendment vis a vis gun control as the issue to discuss. It is up for discussion.

Let's arrive at a solution, shall we?  I doubt that the person who pulled the trigger regarded himself as soulless. Rather, I figure that he figured he was justified in what he did, by whatever justification (rationalization) he applied to thinking that his actions were a good idea at the time, twisted or not.

Up for examination is what is it about our laws that permits this sort of thing, repeatedly.

You are still being vague.  I posit that in all the examples I gave support leaving the second amendment alone.


So what would you change.


1.  Take all guns?  That has been discussed.


2.  If you support one how will stop criminals from having.  They are criminals.


3.  Aurora already had tough laws on the books that banned the concealment that the perp did.  So what do you propose.


4.  The laws did not permit that sort of thing. 


What are your suggestions?

[clistensprechen]

1. License all guns like states do automobiles.

2. License all gun owners by testing for gun handling competency, like a driver's license.

3. Close all gun show loopholes and track every fire arm ever sold, including between private individuals.

4. Criminals are already denied rights to guns and voting, so criminality isn't the issue--the only offenses on the Aurora shooter's record were a couple of traffic tickets, so claiming that only criminals break laws with guns makes claim to a falsehood.

5. Laws against things don't prevent **** from happening, so the idea is to make such ideas become a bad idea even to those who would contemplate such things.  Details of implementing this idea are yet to be established...so...how would YOU go about it if this were your assigned task?