Author Topic: Does anyone see anything wrong with GOP states ID Voter law?  (Read 449 times)

Offline Woody

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Republican want free and open elections in other countries, but not our own. They remind me of the old hucksters trying to sell tonics that they said would cure most everything, while in reality then did nothing but make the hucksters more wealthy.  kentay


So no matter what data you are given you are going to turn a blind eye to facts, huh?
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http://www.propublica.org/article/everything-youve-ever-wanted-to-know-about-voter-id-laws

And finally, New Rule: Republicans must quit pretending that their new voter ID laws having anything to do with stopping fraudulent voting, and instead start passing laws where if poor black people want to vote, they must first jump through an actual hoop. (audience applause)

Now this week, a judge in Pennsylvania upheld that state's new law requiring picture ID if you want to exercise your right to cast a ballot in November, affirming the efforts of Republican legislatures in many states, who have decided that there's one big problem with our democratic process -- too much voting. I know, it sounds counter-intuitive. Election time used to mean "get out the vote". Now it means, "You're here to vote? Get out!"

Now I know it doesn't seem like showing picture ID should be such a big deal, but it turns out 1 in 10 Americans who used to be able to vote, could not this time under these new laws. See, Republicans love America, and cherish its ideals, so they asked themselves, "What is it we have that many Democratic-leaning inner city voters don't have? I know! We have photo ID." Our driver's licenses. And many of them don't because they're too poor to own a car.

It reminds me of the drug war, where conservatives said, "Let's find something minorities do a lot, like smoke weed, and make it illegal." And one of the punishments is, you lose your vote. It's lucky Republicans didn't notice Obama was popular with Asian voters, they would've required a driving test! (audience laughter)

Listen, America's had a lot of tricky racist laws, it's part of the adventure of living here. That's what makes it dangerous and fun. Like everyone being armed. It's like a theme park at Halloween. Hey, if you don't want to be chased with a chainsaw, move to Canada.

But what makes the voter ID law special is that they propose to solve a problem that doesn't exist. We have empirical data proving that essentially no one is showing up to the polls and impersonating a legally registered voter. Runaway slave laws were racist and wrong, but at least there occasionally was a runaway slave! (stunned audience laughter)

But in person voter fraud is a crime that doesn't happen! Since 2000, there have been 10 cases of it. Ten! Out of 146 million voters. More people go into the voting booth and get hit by lightning while being attacked by sharks, than commit this crime.
Why? Because people tend to commit crimes to do things they want to do. We're Americans. We don't want to vote. That's not how the criminal mind works. That's why so few evil geniuses plan to take over the world so they can do more jury duty. (audience laughter and applause)

But don't ever accuse a Republican of racism. They just happened to come up with a legal technicality that, if applied nationally, would mean one in four black people can't vote. It's like if you wanted to suppress the white vote, so you made a law that you couldn't vote unless you've seen every Tyler Perry movie. (audience laughter and applause)

So I say this. Fair is fair. If Republicans can make it harder for minorities to vote with their tricky ID laws, then we get to make it harder for teabaggers to vote by bringing back the literacy test. (wild audience cheering)

You can ask me for a picture ID, and I'll ask you to count to twenty without taking off your shoes. And you can't vote unless you can answer these simple questions.

1. What did they call the World War that came before World War II?

2. Seven-tenths of the Earth is covered by:
A) water
B) Mountain Dew
C) your ass

3. Name a book that's not about vampires or spanking.
All right, that's our show!
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Hi kentay:

In 2008 GA had voter ID laws in place.  The argument from the left is voter ID laws suppress the black vote.  Conservatives claim it does not suppress the vote.  And the data from GA suggests tat conservatives are correct.  Voter ID laws did not stop an increase in black votes in GA for the 2008 election.


http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/aug/14/warren-kampf/lawmaker-uses-georgia-push-voter-id-law/






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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?





Here is a little more.  In 2008 voter turnout by the communities the left claimed would suffer suppression INCREASED in 2008:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123327839569631609.html



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The two states with the strictest voter ID requirements are Indiana and Georgia. Both require a government-issued photo ID. According to figures released by Prof. Michael McDonald of George Mason University, the overall national turnout of eligible voters was 61.6%, the highest turnout since the 1964 election.
The Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies (JCPES) found that black turnout in the 2008 election was at a historic high, having increased substantially from 2004. The total share of black voters in the national vote increased from 11% to 13% according to exit polls, with 95% of blacks voting for Mr. Obama.
So what happened in Georgia where the ACLU, the NAACP and other such groups claimed the state's photo ID law was intended to depress black turnout? According to figures released by Curtis Gans at American University, Georgia had the largest turnout in its history, with nearly four million voters. The Republican turnout was up only 0.22 percentage points; the Democratic turnout was up an astonishing 6.1 percentage points, rising from 22.66% of the eligible voting population to 28.74% of the eligible population.
The overall turnout in Georgia increased 6.7 percentage points from the 2004 election -- the second highest increase in turnout of any state in the country. According to the JCPES, the black share of the statewide vote increased in Georgia from 25% in the 2004 election, when the photo ID law was not in effect, to 30% in the 2008 election, when the photo ID law was in effect.
By contrast, the Democratic turnout in the neighboring state of Mississippi -- which has no voter ID requirement but also has a large black population similar to Georgia's -- increased by only 2.35 percentage points.
In Indiana, which the Supreme Court said had the strictest voter ID law in the country, the turnout of Democratic voters in the November election increased by 8.32 percentage points. That was the largest increase in Democratic turnout of any state in the country. The increase in overall turnout in Indiana was the fifth highest in the country, but only because the turnout of Republican voters actually went down 3.57 percentage points. The nearby state of Illinois (no photo ID requirement) had an increase in Democratic turnout of only 4.4 percentage points -- nearly half Indiana's increase.
A reminder for kentay:
I fully support going back to ALL, that says ALL THE CLINTON TAX and spend policies that led to the economic boom in the second half of the 90's.

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Yes, the big issue is trust.  I don't trust either Republicans or Democrats to reform anything, but Fund made exactly that point when he stated that Secretaries of States are usually appointed campaign fundraisers for whichever party wins the top office and that's gotta stop.

Unless and until it does, we can't trust anybody.

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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?

kentay has been busy starting new threads.  That's what happens when his thesis is demonstrated to be wrong.
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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?

kentay has been busy starting new threads.  That's what happens when his thesis is demonstrated to be wrong.

You always say that when you have no answers, and you know your party losing the race.. You're a big whiner and cry baby. kentay
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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?

kentay has been busy starting new threads.  That's what happens when his thesis is demonstrated to be wrong.

You always say that when you have no answers, and you know your party losing the race.. You're a big whiner and cry baby. kentay


Hi Ace.


I had answers.  I gave you irrefutable proof that there is no correlation between voter ID laws and voter suppression.   There is no poll tax and even if you show up at the polls without ID you still get to cast a vote. 









A reminder for kentay:
I fully support going back to ALL, that says ALL THE CLINTON TAX and spend policies that led to the economic boom in the second half of the 90's.

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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?

kentay has been busy starting new threads.  That's what happens when his thesis is demonstrated to be wrong.
Given your record at Linc's place, I just had to chuckle at this.  :cheers:

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Republicans would throw a fit maybe even go to war,  if this was happening in another country, like China, Russia, N. Korea or Cuba. So why do they do support and actively do everything they can to stop people from voting  and try to have unfair elections, in our country? They do it because they are power hungry and want to control everything and everyone that is outside their tribe. Kentay

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Kentay concedes defeat with a topic change.  Good job ace!
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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?

kentay has been busy starting new threads.  That's what happens when his thesis is demonstrated to be wrong.

You always say that when you have no answers, and you know your party losing the race.. You're a big whiner and cry baby. kentay

I always say that when you drop a thread you've lost and issue a blast of diversionary agitprop instead.
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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?

kentay has been busy starting new threads.  That's what happens when his thesis is demonstrated to be wrong.
Given your record at Linc's place, I just had to chuckle at this.  :cheers:

Given that my record was 28,000 some odd posts, I have to laugh at your criticism.  Who knew that you would fall for riot's tactics?
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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?

kentay has been busy starting new threads.  That's what happens when his thesis is demonstrated to be wrong.
Given your record at Linc's place, I just had to chuckle at this.  :cheers:

Given that my record was 28,000 some odd posts, I have to laugh at your criticism.  Who knew that you would fall for riot's tactics?
LOLz! Riot's got nothing to do with the fact that most of those odd posts were new topics. ;)

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Hi Kentay.  Do you have a problem ot finishing what you start?

kentay has been busy starting new threads.  That's what happens when his thesis is demonstrated to be wrong.
Given your record at Linc's place, I just had to chuckle at this.  :cheers:

Given that my record was 28,000 some odd posts, I have to laugh at your criticism.  Who knew that you would fall for riot's tactics?
LOLz! Riot's got nothing to do with the fact that most of those odd posts were new topics. ;)

No way.  In reality, a hell of a lot of those posts were trifectas being issued to "kuni".  He single-handedly drove up my post count.
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