Hey, Ken...

[wbcoleman]

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Not really off-topic...well, sort of, but Clara changed the subject in a flash...
I understand the problem of the "Sabbath".  I chose conventional Protestantism when I became a Christian, thus I chose to use Sunday as the day that I attended church and worshiped.   Nothing more complex than that.  I've attended Seventh-Day Adventist services (because my wife and I were specifically invited by a student) and they get really exercised about what day is the Sabbath.  I don't.  I've also attended services at Temple De Hirsch Sinai in Seattle because we were invited by a very old friend, Herb Bridge whose son was one of the Rabbis there. 
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Umm, Clara didn't change the subject--Clara just injected historical fact especially because Clara's suspicion is now confirmed that the two in this dialogue resulted in what's called "buffet Christianity"...believers who personally pick and choose to suit personal theology that doesn't fit the standard of record.

This is of never-ending fascination to me: among the "God-said-it-I-believe-it-That-settles-it" crowd there's a large population of "God said to worship on the Sabbath but we get to pick what day that is" buffet believers. Christians and Jews share one religious characteristic: searching for, finding, and exploiting to the maximum--loopholes in "God's law".
 :applause:

How to say politely that you are full of it?  michael isn't "personally pick[ing] and choos[ing]", he is following the virtually universal practice of all but a very few Christian churches.  I am following the universal practice of the Jewish religion.  You're just indulging at taking random potshots and, so far as your "facts" are concerned, your theory about the Romans moving the Christian day of worship is simply one theory among many.

[MichaelH]

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Not really off-topic...well, sort of, but Clara changed the subject in a flash...
I understand the problem of the "Sabbath".  I chose conventional Protestantism when I became a Christian, thus I chose to use Sunday as the day that I attended church and worshiped.   Nothing more complex than that.  I've attended Seventh-Day Adventist services (because my wife and I were specifically invited by a student) and they get really exercised about what day is the Sabbath.  I don't.  I've also attended services at Temple De Hirsch Sinai in Seattle because we were invited by a very old friend, Herb Bridge whose son was one of the Rabbis there. 
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Umm, Clara didn't change the subject--Clara just injected historical fact especially because Clara's suspicion is now confirmed that the two in this dialogue resulted in what's called "buffet Christianity"...believers who personally pick and choose to suit personal theology that doesn't fit the standard of record.

This is of never-ending fascination to me: among the "God-said-it-I-believe-it-That-settles-it" crowd there's a large population of "God said to worship on the Sabbath but we get to pick what day that is" buffet believers. Christians and Jews share one religious characteristic: searching for, finding, and exploiting to the maximum--loopholes in "God's law".
 :applause:

Aw come on, Clara.  You just want to argue.  If you're suggesting I treat Christianity as a buffet from which I can pick and choose my entrees, you're just plain wrong.  It's fun talking to you but I'm sure not trying to flay the skin off YOU.   Do  you really think I'm one of those "God said it...blah, blah" types?  Where have I given that "leg up" to you? 

[clistensprechen]

Me wanna argue?  You guys are arguing with historic record.  But cons are famous for disregarding the facts regardless.   Carry on.

[MichaelH]

Me wanna argue?  You guys are arguing with historic record.  But cons are famous for disregarding the facts regardless.   Carry on.

A quick question, here.

How many post are required to graduate from "grubhood"? 

Now, about this "historic record"...what the blazes are you blabbering about?  It couldn't be the same kind of stuff that Obama puts out, could it?  You know..."Business is doing just fine"...and "We've created XXXXXXXX jobs...plus "Americans WANT the affordable health care initiative.

[clistensprechen]

Grubhood ends at 50 posts, I think (I'll have to re-check that), and the short answer to your other question is this thread: People of Faith are Fact-Averse


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Yes, it's 50 posts.  I changed it to 30 now.  Happy?

[kentay]

Quote from: MichaelH on September 05, 2012, 08:40:14 PM

    If I had an issue that was REALLY important to me, and kentay said, "I've got your back", there seriously isn't a living person on this Earth that I'd put more trust in than kentay.  He's honest to a fault...and would take his obligation (if he tendered it) to the ends of the Earth.  How can I say this?  I've known him for years...way back even before Arianna Online.

    He and I share a lot of experiences in our lives.  We even share the fact that I was a Democrat for over thirty years.   Here's where the rubber STARTS leaving the road.  When I was a Democrat the party consisted of honorable men and women...folks who put the nation first, and the American way of life as the guiding principles upon which they functioned.  Now kentay is trying to "have their backs", and they've left him in the dust...thrown him under the bus, in the modern vernacular.  Ken is a Christian, and those he adheres to AREN'T by any reasonable measure.  Ken honors the military, and HIS party tries to even prevent them from voting, if they serve overseas.   I could go on, but -- dear reader -- you probably get the point.

    ken is listening to voices that try to tell America that Obama is doing a good job.  If he's doing a good job, God help the nation if he quits doing such a fine job.  When Biden -- or some other leftist -- eloquently tells us that XXXXXX jobs have been created when all we have to do is look at the unemployment figures to see it as a lie, ken continues to "have their backs".   

    I admire his faithfulness to those he's chosen...unfortunately they quit "choosing" him, and instead have chosen socialism, which I don't really believe ken endorses.

    Ken, I'd love to see you become a conservative...you'd be a strong voice for correctness


Mike  You may have missed my post to you so I am re-posting it and await your response, since I know you to be a Christian Man and respect your incite. I have voted for many Republicans over my lifetime, I just can't do it with today's Republican Party because as a Christian man.  I would have to violate, overlook or pretend that words of Christ don't matter or mean anything to me if I made myself a member of today's Republican Party. There are things I don't like about the Democratic Party too but at least they are closer to Christ teachings towards my fellow man and the least among us. I am an Independent who leans toward the Democratic party because I don't agree with today's Republican Party and I have never agreed with the Libertarian party even though there are a few things I could vote for,  that Libertarians believe. There really are only two major Commandments for Christians and if you believe in them and accept them then all the rest falls into place deep down in your soul. Mike, I would really appreciate you telling me and this DB, your Christian views of why you're a Republican now what parts of Christ teaching you admire in the Republican Party.  Mine reasons are as follows: kentay

   Matthew 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38  This is the first and great commandment.

39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.




Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

26 And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?

27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

And this

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

[Woody]

The dems are closer to your Christian teachings kentay?  Aren't these the same group of people who booed god?  We are not the group you need to convince.

[kentay]

The dems are closer to your Christian teachings kentay?  Aren't these the same group of people who booed god?  We are not the group you need to convince.

I would have booed too. My feelings about God is if you believe in God then he knows your heart without you saying a word, by your actions. When you reject Christ teachings and worship greed and selfishness and care more about a fetus than a born child, then you don't have to say anything because God already knows what's in your heart. kentay

[clistensprechen]

It's wrong to take the atheists in the Dem party and proclaim that the believers in the Dem party are also atheists.  The overwhelming majority of Dems are believers.

[Woody]

It's wrong to take the atheists in the Dem party and proclaim that the believers in the Dem party are also atheists.  The overwhelming majority of Dems are believers.

Unfortunately the majority at the convention booed god.

[clistensprechen]

You were there to count every person who booed, huh.

No sale.

[Woody]

You were there to count every person who booed, huh.

No sale.

I saw it with my own eyes and heard it as well.  We know you live in a different reality but the voice vote at the dem convention was the same crap Boehner pulled with the rules change at the GOP convention.  The God booing looked infinitely worse for your side.

[clistensprechen]

No wide camera angle can enumerate the booing people from the people who weren't. You just make stuff up.

[Woody]

No wide camera angle can enumerate the booing people from the people who weren't. You just make stuff up.

Really?  You say it didn't happen, kentay says it does.  I guess both kentay and I are making stuff up.

[wbcoleman]

No wide camera angle can enumerate the booing people from the people who weren't. You just make stuff up.

The voice vote against G-d was roughly equal to the voice vote in favor.  The boos afterward were loud.  Sorry if reality intrudes.