Have we gone past the tipping point?

[Ted S]

John Hinderaker over at Powerline wonders whether we have gone past the tipping point:



http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/09/why-is-this-election-close.php

The day when there are more people riding in the cart than pulling the cart may already be here.  I thought we were still a couple decades away but perhaps I'm wrong.  If you think about it, Democracy will begin to collapse at an accelerated rate once the tipping point is reached.

[clistensprechen]

We're past a tipping point but not for those reasons.

We're past the tipping point with the cancer known as the 2-party system and we're past the tipping point of reliability of polls. There is a new paradigm in place but it's the failure of traditional capitalism which has put us there. It's the acknowledgement that the numbers used by power brokers to figure out who is going to be in power without waiting for the election to take place are false. We The People have had it up to here with libs and cons alike.  You betcha we're past a tipping point, but just as cons have proven to be clueless when they didn't see a market crash coming, they're just as clueless when it comes to tipping points of other sorts as well.

And the libs are equally clueless.

[kentay]

The Tipping Point was when

CEO's went from 40 times its' workers pay to hundreds of times workers pay

when Unions lost bargaining rights for workers

when we went from a draft to a all volunteer force and  with less than 1 % of middleclass and poor, fighting Republican wars of choice to make money.

when regulations were removed from our crony capitalist system

when so called religious people stop loving their fellow man as themselves and caring  what happens to their neighbors

when Republican put everything on future generations charge cards 

when Republican went from a party with minorities to a white party of mostly right wingers 

when integrity and values changed to arrogance self righteousness and selfish greed.

when a woman doesn't have the right to control her own body, because of self righteous men. 

when religious people cover for wrongs done to children.

when religion became only a job to make money with an easy life style instead of a calling by God.

when we stopped caring about our stewardship of mother earth.

when wanted the largest houses for show  or the biggest and fastest cars regardless of what it was doing to our Atmospheres .

when company polluted the environment took their money and declared bankruptcy and left it to taxpayers to clean up when they should have went to jail.

when people were allowed to steal from people, like Enron did and the saving and loan did from it savers. 

when the Republican Party broken into a Democratic office in Watergate and was covered up by a president of that party.
 
When a Republican President and a Lt Colonel  lied about trading with the Iranians, it was called  the Iran-Contra affair.

I could go on and on about when we as a country reach the tipping point but I hope this help you Ted in understanding why you're so wrong on most everything you post. kentay

[Ted S]

Kentay of course just produces the same old list of left wing talking points. He doesn't address the basic question of what happens when a society gets to the point where the few are forced be the many to carry them on their backs.

Clara on the other hand, thinks things will be better if there just more political parties.  As I have noted before, we already have a long list of political parties, they just don't get taken seriously.  I don't see how this solves anything.  I guess it would if political parties determined human nature but I'm betting that human nature best describes human nature.

I'm just afraid that if when you take all of the people receiving monthly checks from the government, add the ranks of the Democrat party plus those people who are ignorant or uninterested, and the numbers get so big that they cannot be stopped.

Reminds me of that old saying: Democracy must be more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

[wbcoleman]

Kentay of course just produces the same old list of left wing talking points. He doesn't address the basic question of what happens when a society gets to the point where the few are forced be the many to carry them on their backs.

Clara on the other hand, thinks things will be better if there just more political parties.  As I have noted before, we already have a long list of political parties, they just don't get taken seriously.  I don't see how this solves anything.  I guess it would if political parties determined human nature but I'm betting that human nature best describes human nature.

I'm just afraid that if when you take all of the people receiving monthly checks from the government, add the ranks of the Democrat party plus those people who are ignorant or uninterested, and the numbers get so big that they cannot be stopped.

Reminds me of that old saying: Democracy must be more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

Many of us have shared Hinderaker's concerns for a long time, fearing, for example, that the whole point of Obamacare was to create an entitlement that would finally make every citizen dependent upon the government.  The Democrats think that this will bind voters to them forever.  Whether this has occurred.... well, I guess we'll have a clearer idea on November 7th.

[Woody]

[wbcoleman]

O should be trailing Romney by fifteen points.  Why isn't he?

[Woody]

O should be trailing Romney by fifteen points.  Why isn't he?

Well, I dunno.  But the news keeps reminding us how far carter was ahead up to ten days before the election. 

[wbcoleman]

O should be trailing Romney by fifteen points.  Why isn't he?

Well, I dunno.  But the news keeps reminding us how far carter was ahead up to ten days before the election.

I understand and I remain optimistic.  Nonetheless, he should be behind by fifteen points.  The DNC was a pathetic circus.  But a really large segment of the population doesn't see it that way.

[kentay]

WARNING ABOUT REPUBLICANS

[kentay]

Ted, It says more than I could ever say when you're co-hearts don't agree with your campaign. LOL kentay


SAHIL KAPUR ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2012

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-tax-plan-worries-conservatives.php?ref=fpb

[kentay]

- The American Bankers Association voted to form a secret-money 501(c)(4) to run ads to elect candidates who do as they wish, Open Secrets Blog reports.

[wbcoleman]

Why is kentay simply spamming the board?

[Ted S]

Ted, It says more than I could ever say when you're co-hearts don't agree with your campaign. LOL kentay


SAHIL KAPUR ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2012

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-tax-plan-worries-conservatives.php?ref=fpb

Kentay finally posts something I agree with.

Romney's history of flip-flopping on big issues and his vagueness today do indeed concern me.  However, while Romney *may* turn out to be a liberal in skimpy conservative clothing, Obama is a confirmed dyed-in-the-wool liberal.  If you use your brain at all the choice is obvious.

Getting the conservative base out on November 6th isn't the challenge, Obama's going to be most excellent at doing that. The challenge is wooing the rudderless voters and the terminally uninformed.  That's the group I'm worried about.

If Romney had charm, grace, and wit he might have a chance but the democrats have a pretty stylish fella.  Take Obama's tall lean frame, great speaking tone, and half minority status along with the promise of free goodies and I'm afraid that you have a winning combination.

I'd love to be wrong but I think we had better start preparing ourselves for another four years of hope and change.

[wbcoleman]

I'd love to be wrong but I think we had better start preparing ourselves for another four years of hope and change.

Today's Washington Post/ABC poll indicates little, if any, convention bounce for O.  Among likely voters the conventions changed nada.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-and-romney-close-in-poll-among-likely-voters/2012/09/10/e57318ea-fb79-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html