Official Response to Attack on U.S. Embassy in Cairo

[clistensprechen]

They condemned the actions of the mob because the descriptor in the statement fits the mob. MAN, what a dense lot cons are.

I also linked to the armed mob story where the set fire to the consulate.  Kinda ignored that, didn't you.


Save your ass babe.

Benghazi isn't in Egypt, sweetcheeks.

Here you go   Read the **** story prior to make dumbass comments.  Pay attention to where SECURITY cleared the building in expectation of the mob, where 2000 people gathered, and where WARNING SHOTS were fired.  Next time you want to start **** get your facts straight and do your own research for once.



http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/11/warning-shots-fired-as-cairo-protesters-storm-u-s-embassy-walls/

Fourth post about gunshots in Cairo.  The info Clara demanded.  Now she ignores.

You waiting for me to smooch ya, sweetcheeks? Question asked, question answered, and now you want sugar too.

[wbcoleman]

Sorry, Woody, but I've been reading the Wall Street Journal about what's going on. Considerably more comprehensive stuff than you've posted. You gonna start a war on Rupert Murdoch now?  And there's THIS via USA Today.

The deal is a hateful movie being promoted by Quran-burning Terry Jones. IMHO Terry's house should be stormed--he earned it.

Do you think that O should order U.S. government forces to "storm Terry Jones' house"??

[clistensprechen]

Sorry, Woody, but I've been reading the Wall Street Journal about what's going on. Considerably more comprehensive stuff than you've posted. You gonna start a war on Rupert Murdoch now?  And there's THIS via USA Today.

The deal is a hateful movie being promoted by Quran-burning Terry Jones. IMHO Terry's house should be stormed--he earned it.

Do you think that O should order U.S. government forces to "storm Terry Jones' house"??

Lolz! NO!

I think they should airlift Jones to Libya.

[Woody]

Sorry, Woody, but I've been reading the THIS via USA Today.

The deal is a hateful movie being promoted by Quran-burning Terry Jones. IMHO Terry's house should be stormed--he earned it.

You should read your own articles.  But you don't read threads.  Your article supports what both Coleman and I posted.  Thanks babe. 


From your article.  Note the word invasion.  You said it wasn't, didn't you?

You were bitching about guns and security, well babe, from your link:Early Tuesday evening, about 2,000 mostly male Islamists converged outside the heavily guarded mission. Some of them scaled the embassy's concrete walls but were met by rubber bullets fired by embassy guards, some witnesses reported. A U.S. Embassy official denied that embassy guards had fired on the protesters

Your article supports mine.  Thank you so much.  The Cairo embassy was INVADED by about 2000 people and SECURITY fired GUNS at them.  All things you denied.  You make this too easy.

[wbcoleman]

Maybe kentay stole clara's password?

[Woody]

Maybe kentay stole clara's password?

Past his bedtime. 

[wbcoleman]

This whole thing drifted off point, which is:  How in the hell can O respond to an attack on a U.S. Embassy by issuing a craven apology for the actions of some trivial and previously unknown group operating in a 100% legal fashion within the United States?

[clistensprechen]

Now that the hotheads have cooled off by now (I hope), I can say that it's fair to point out that I've cited a number of different articles without using any of them to argue in favor or against any particular answer to the question.

Perhaps this board will be more capable of keeping people around if certain people didn't always attack with their dukes always up.  There's a reason we have a pub here, guys.

[wbcoleman]

Now that the hotheads have cooled off by now (I hope), I can say that it's fair to point out that I've cited a number of different articles without using any of them to argue in favor or against any particular answer to the question.

Perhaps this board will be more capable of keeping people around if certain people didn't always attack with their dukes always up.  There's a reason we have a pub here, guys.

Last point well-taken.  First point, no sale.

[kentay]

When hate groups in our country stir up others around the world because of culture, race or religion it affects all of us. The death of any American that is caused by our hate and bigotry must also be held responsible as those who killed an American. Unless we find away to stop this kind of hate without losing our freedoms, we will be doomed to suffer many more consequences of their actions. To me it's like yelling fire in a crowed theater and there is no fire and people die trying to get out. I think any church or group that spews this kind of hate and bigotry we at least should take away any of their tax advantages because I as a citizen do not want my taxes going to people who promote hate and bigotry. kentay 


Interfaith group condemns plans to burn Quran on 9/11, denounces 'bigotry'
 
Afghans burn an effigy of Dove World Outreach Center's pastor Terry Jones during a demonstration against the United States in Kabul, Afghanistan on Monday to protest his plans to burn Qurans on 9/11.
CAPTION By Musadeq Sadeq, AP



An interfaith summit of Christian, Jewish and Muslim religious leaders today responded to plans by a Florida church to burn Qurans on 9/11 by condemning "outright bigotry" that they said undermined religious freedom in America.

Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, in Gainesville, Fla., that is planning the event, says he will go ahead with it, despite a warning from Gen. David Petraeus, top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, that it could endanger U.S. troops.
 


"We are definitely weighing the situation," Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., tells CNN today. "We are weighing the thing we are about to do, what it possibly could cause, what is our actual message, what we are trying to get across. How important is that now."

Petraeus said in his statement the actions by the 50-member church "could endanger troops, and it could endanger the overall effort."

Update at 1:12 p.m. ET: An interfaith summit of Christian, Jewish and Muslim religious leaders issued a joint statement today denouncing "outright bigotry directed against America's Muslim community."

"To attack any religion in the United States is to do violence to the religious freedom of all America," the statement said.
The group specifically condemned the plan to burn Qurans as a "particularly egregious offense that demands the strongest possible condemnation of all who value civility in public life and seek to honor the memory of those who lost their lives on 9/11."

"Silence is not an option," the statement said. "Only by taking this stand can spiritual leaders fulfill the highest callings of our respective faiths."

Our colleagues at Faith & Reason have details on the interfaith gathering.

Update at 12:52 p.m. ET: Endorsing Petraeus' comments, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said today that "it puts our troops in harm's way."

Update at 12:27 p.m. ET: Jones tells the AP in an interview that he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip.

Update at 12:07 p.m. ET: FBI agents have visited the church to talk about their concerns for Jones' safety, as multiple Facebook pages with thousands of members have popped up hailing him as either a hero or a dangerous pariah, the AP reports.

Earlier posting: Gainesville police plan to set up a checkpoint at streets around the church on Saturday to check driver's licenses and maintain a heightened police presence, The Gainesville Sun reports. The three-hour protest is scheduled for 6 p.m. ET

But Jones says the protest aimed at radical Islam is still on. "Once in awhile, you see that in the Bible, there are instances where enough is enough and you stand up," Jones tells CNN.

This comes a day after someone in Gainesville scrawled the word "Nazis" on a sign erected near an Islamic center announcing "International Burn A Koran Day," The Sun reports.

The newspaper says a man has turned himself in for the act, but police are trying to contact the owner of the property before pressing charges.

At a protest Monday in Kabul, several hundred Afghans rallied outside a Kabul mosque, burning American flags and an effigy of Dove World's pastor and chanting "death to America."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/09/florida-pastor-still-plans-a-burn-a-quran-protest-on-911-despite-warnings-by-petraeus/1

[clistensprechen]

Evidence of the stupidity of religion no matter whose religion we're talking about. The Bronze Age barbaric Abrahamics are the worst, no matter whose religion we're talking about.

As I said earlier, if there's no evidence of active security staff, the attacks were launched with permission, and as the review of both Libyan and Egyptian events playing out, the appearance of any alliance between the U.S. and the host countries came into question.  As I type this, Hillary Clinton is speaking, saying that the Libyan government worked with U.S. enforcement (unspecified) to quash the attack.  She still hasn't said as much about Egypt. She is saying that the U.S. is working with other countries' government to ratchet up security of other U.S. embassies.  She has strongly condemned the attacks and putting the responsibility for security where it belongs.

As I was saying, security forces are what was lacking and the people responsible for security are the people who permitted these things to happen.

[RWE]

It started with this:



To which Clara replied:

Well said, actually.

And now we're at this:

Evidence of the stupidity of religion no matter whose religion we're talking about. The Bronze Age barbaric Abrahamics are the worst, no matter whose religion we're talking about.

What happened to condemning "efforts to offend believers of all religions"?

[clistensprechen]

It started with this:



To which Clara replied:

Well said, actually.

And now we're at this:

Evidence of the stupidity of religion no matter whose religion we're talking about. The Bronze Age barbaric Abrahamics are the worst, no matter whose religion we're talking about.

What happened to condemning "efforts to offend believers of all religions"?

Nothing.  Those two statements are not mutually exclusive. You're trying to pretend that they are.

Now let me get this straight...you're all in favor of one part of the First Amendment (freedom of speech) and against another part of the First Amendment (freedom of religion--as in the predominant religion of the country).  Tsk tsk tsk.

[wbcoleman]

When hate groups in our country stir up others around the world because of culture, race or religion it affects all of us. The death of any American that is caused by our hate and bigotry must also be held responsible as those who killed an American. Unless we find away to stop this kind of hate without losing our freedoms, we will be doomed to suffer many more consequences of their actions. To me it's like yelling fire in a crowed theater and there is no fire and people die trying to get out. I think any church or group that spews this kind of hate and bigotry we at least should take away any of their tax advantages because I as a citizen do not want my taxes going to people who promote hate and bigotry. kentay 


Interfaith group condemns plans to burn Quran on 9/11, denounces 'bigotry'
 
Afghans burn an effigy of Dove World Outreach Center's pastor Terry Jones during a demonstration against the United States in Kabul, Afghanistan on Monday to protest his plans to burn Qurans on 9/11.
CAPTION By Musadeq Sadeq, AP



An interfaith summit of Christian, Jewish and Muslim religious leaders today responded to plans by a Florida church to burn Qurans on 9/11 by condemning "outright bigotry" that they said undermined religious freedom in America.

Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, in Gainesville, Fla., that is planning the event, says he will go ahead with it, despite a warning from Gen. David Petraeus, top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, that it could endanger U.S. troops.
 


"We are definitely weighing the situation," Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., tells CNN today. "We are weighing the thing we are about to do, what it possibly could cause, what is our actual message, what we are trying to get across. How important is that now."

Petraeus said in his statement the actions by the 50-member church "could endanger troops, and it could endanger the overall effort."

Update at 1:12 p.m. ET: An interfaith summit of Christian, Jewish and Muslim religious leaders issued a joint statement today denouncing "outright bigotry directed against America's Muslim community."

"To attack any religion in the United States is to do violence to the religious freedom of all America," the statement said.
The group specifically condemned the plan to burn Qurans as a "particularly egregious offense that demands the strongest possible condemnation of all who value civility in public life and seek to honor the memory of those who lost their lives on 9/11."

"Silence is not an option," the statement said. "Only by taking this stand can spiritual leaders fulfill the highest callings of our respective faiths."

Our colleagues at Faith & Reason have details on the interfaith gathering.

Update at 12:52 p.m. ET: Endorsing Petraeus' comments, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said today that "it puts our troops in harm's way."

Update at 12:27 p.m. ET: Jones tells the AP in an interview that he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip.

Update at 12:07 p.m. ET: FBI agents have visited the church to talk about their concerns for Jones' safety, as multiple Facebook pages with thousands of members have popped up hailing him as either a hero or a dangerous pariah, the AP reports.

Earlier posting: Gainesville police plan to set up a checkpoint at streets around the church on Saturday to check driver's licenses and maintain a heightened police presence, The Gainesville Sun reports. The three-hour protest is scheduled for 6 p.m. ET

But Jones says the protest aimed at radical Islam is still on. "Once in awhile, you see that in the Bible, there are instances where enough is enough and you stand up," Jones tells CNN.

This comes a day after someone in Gainesville scrawled the word "Nazis" on a sign erected near an Islamic center announcing "International Burn A Koran Day," The Sun reports.

The newspaper says a man has turned himself in for the act, but police are trying to contact the owner of the property before pressing charges.

At a protest Monday in Kabul, several hundred Afghans rallied outside a Kabul mosque, burning American flags and an effigy of Dove World's pastor and chanting "death to America."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/09/florida-pastor-still-plans-a-burn-a-quran-protest-on-911-despite-warnings-by-petraeus/1

IMHO Afghanis who burn Terry Jones in effigy are completely within their rights and are responding to an exercise of free speech with another exercise of free speech.  That is entirely proper and desirable.  But attacking the U.S. embassy, destroying property and causing bodily harm to U.S. personnel, that's something else entirely.  I am flummoxed that anyone should disagree with me on this.

[wbcoleman]

Evidence of the stupidity of religion no matter whose religion we're talking about. The Bronze Age barbaric Abrahamics are the worst, no matter whose religion we're talking about.

As I said earlier, if there's no evidence of active security staff, the attacks were launched with permission, and as the review of both Libyan and Egyptian events playing out, the appearance of any alliance between the U.S. and the host countries came into question.  As I type this, Hillary Clinton is speaking, saying that the Libyan government worked with U.S. enforcement (unspecified) to quash the attack.  She still hasn't said as much about Egypt. She is saying that the U.S. is working with other countries' government to ratchet up security of other U.S. embassies.  She has strongly condemned the attacks and putting the responsibility for security where it belongs.

As I was saying, security forces are what was lacking and the people responsible for security are the people who permitted these things to happen.

So your position is that the murders of our ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were...... what?  Justifiable homicide?