Love

[donni]

1If I speak in the tonguesa of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,b but have not love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

[clistensprechen]

Biblical, attributed to Paul. I don't believe in any Bible, but I think you posted something that cons would improve if they took those lines to heart especially given that it's Bibles they thump as a weapon against their fellow man.

[donni]

i don't believe in the bible as god's word, but i believe it's a bunch of would-be kings words-kings attempting to control the masses, and a bit of a history of sorts-albeit one with a particular premise-humans own the world and agenda-control by certain elite humans for the glorification of those truly made in god's image -them.

this psalm is about the only thing in it that makes any real sense to me-even the king needs Love.

i liken a person like ray and rowdy to the poor resounding gong or the clanging cymbal-they give everyone and themselves headache. hate consumes all-Love gives all.

[clistensprechen]

Couldn't agree with you more.  As it happens, such people as Ray and Rowdy are predictable in their other beliefs, and it appears I correctly predicted those on TopicsBB.  They're great with the "prove me wrong" canard when they present garbage as fact, but the bottom line remains that the real people among us already know that the facts don't match up with their concept of reality. They're the secessionists and by golly we should by all means permit them to leave our country whose government they hate as much as other people. Good riddance to what's clearly rubbish.

[Don Houston]

You know, Neither one of them have Garbage.  All of Ray's idea can be explained.  What the deal is, is that you still keep saying real people know better.  What is this?  I mean I am not in agreement with them on everything, but let's be honest here.  You said it was wrong, but yet to offer why.  You say it has been debunked yet offer know response as to how what when or where.  then you mock the education levels of myself and Rowdy as if you have the evidence to say that we are lying.  I can prove I have college,  would be willing to post transcripts, but you claim Clara that I have some third grade mentality.  It takes two people to fight, and you are right things were out of line on their part, but clearly you crossed the line as well

[clistensprechen]

Well, there ya go, friends and neighbors--the "prove me wrong" defense, and what's asked for are things already proven AND common knowledge among those who have not attended bigot school to get programmed in fiction.

Don, you said elsewhere that you basically resented being inferred to be a bigot.  When you rise to the defense of the fiction of bigotry with your "prove me wrong" argument, not only are you predictably a bigot but defending bigots everywhere, as well as a defender of bigot fiction. It's beyond the scope of a forum board or any one person to undo the damage your "education" has done, and its upon your responsibility to get reschooled, which will take years.

At least learn something from the last election: people who know better AND are capable of discerning fact from fiction prevailed at the polls. Get a clue, at least.

[donni]

You know, Neither one of them have Garbage.  All of Ray's idea can be explained.  What the deal is, is that you still keep saying real people know better.  What is this?  I mean I am not in agreement with them on everything, but let's be honest here.  You said it was wrong, but yet to offer why.  You say it has been debunked yet offer know response as to how what when or where.  then you mock the education levels of myself and Rowdy as if you have the evidence to say that we are lying.  I can prove I have college,  would be willing to post transcripts, but you claim Clara that I have some third grade mentality.  It takes two people to fight, and you are right things were out of line on their part, but clearly you crossed the line as well

what has been debunked or not?-the protocols? definitely debunked. and I did offer the debunkment- google the protocols and u will see a whole lot of debunking. ray told me to read them as if they were real-they aren't. they just fit in nicely with a bigot's hatred and so they accept it as truth.

as far as your education goes-i'd say keep going-u obviously quit too soon. ray's ideas can be explained? no -they've already been explained and debunked. the authors he asked me to read are bigots too. i've read at least one and found bigotry-i'm no longer interested in what ray thinks has value. then rowdy comes in to cheerlead for him and adds a whole lot more bigotry and sambling decides to lock MY goodbye thread because it calls these people what they are. who is sambling anyway?-ur site has so many owners/managers it's ridiculous.

the word u wanted was no-not know. on one hand u defend them and on the other u do the shuffle dance and say u don't agree with them on 'everything' and they were out of line. are u a politician or what?

and where did ray go? nice friend u have-he comes in throws **** around the place and u
defend it and his disappearance when it comes time to clear the air. instead of him defending his own garbage-u do it and rowdy just adds more ****. sad.

[clistensprechen]

Interesting, this part...

You know, Neither one of them have Garbage.  All of Ray's idea can be explained.  What the deal is, is that you still keep saying real people know better.  What is this?  I mean I am not in agreement with them on everything, but let's be honest here.  You said it was wrong, but yet to offer why.  You say it has been debunked yet offer know response as to how what when or where.  then you mock the education levels of myself and Rowdy as if you have the evidence to say that we are lying.  I can prove I have college,  would be willing to post transcripts, but you claim Clara that I have some third grade mentality.  It takes two people to fight, and you are right things were out of line on their part, but clearly you crossed the line as well

what has been debunked or not?-the protocols? definitely debunked. ...

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on one hand u defend them and on the other u do the shuffle dance and say u don't agree with them on 'everything' and they were out of line. are u a politician or what?

and where did ray go? nice friend u have-he comes in throws **** around the place and u
defend it and his disappearance when it comes time to clear the air. instead of him defending his own garbage-u do it and rowdy just adds more ****. sad.

You hit on why I resigned from management at TopicsBB. It's one thing to preach free speech even for bigots, but it's a whole other thing to promote them to management, too, AND defend what they've said.  I'm all for providing proof when a debate position is taken, but what those bigots were producing were things that were debates of the 1800s that have been long settled and on which no current debate exists.  In short, bogus.

And there's no legitimate defense of defending those bigots either. I usually can work with (and prefer) more than one admin on a forum board, but I never work well with bigots. Ever. Nor will I ever work with anyone who defends a bigot's bigotry, either.

Don, there are many reasons a forum board can go dead.  Consider the bigotry of your favorite friends chasing off any member of modern society as one of them.

[Don Houston]

First off, Neither of them have a reason for the forum not lasting as of now, so now that we know that is NOT the reason, we can move on.  Secondly, if you are going to Bash them, at least do it they can defend themselves.  Doing it like this, istasteless. Also I feel the need to define the word bigot for you.

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Seems to me that you are doing the same, so please explain why it is ok for you to do it but not them?  It seems to me that you still figure you can cause problems and then come here to complain.  I wonder what kind of message that shows people? 

Oh and Clara, don't even call me a bigot or anything like that.  you will be up way past your bedtime trying to convince me and those who know me I am even close to it. 

[clistensprechen]

Well, I can tell from the people who know you best that I don't want to be counted among 'em. Enjoy your fiction.

[Don Houston]

You mean your fiction.  You don't know half of the people that know me.  You have met two, you tangled with them and LOST, you ran over here and you want to tell me I am a bigot?  When you can provide FACTS that I am a bigot we  can discuss it hon, but right now this "because I said so" is not good enough.,  I am no bigot

[clistensprechen]

I know enough about your friends to know that I don't want to know them any better than I do now. Deal with it.

[Don Houston]

Which goes to say you really don't know them at all

[clistensprechen]

Nor do I want to.  What you see has happened here is the Freedom of Association...as in, refusing to associate with that ilk.  I know the ilk well enough to have accurately predicted Rowdy's beliefs.  I know the schpiel by heart, having run up on that ilk multiple times.  I might not know people of that ilk personally, but, personally, find their beliefs predictable--and repulsive.

[Don Houston]

Ok, so if she believes in that fine.  That does not mean I do