Public shadow boxing; step right up!

[Ted S]

Politicians would still have to be elected, just once they had served they could not enter public sector professions again.

Wait a minute now.  You originally wrote that elected officials would be forbidden from entering the PRIVATE sector again, now you're saying it's the PUBLIC sector.  I'm confused.  If they are allowed to enter the private sector then that means they can become lobbyists.

[wbcoleman]

You want to be ruled by full-time career politicians and you want to ban the teaching of anything which, in your opinion, lacks a factual basis.  Isn't stuff like that a recipe for tyranny?

Not at all Coleman, I'm not against the teaching of anything as long as it is not thought as fact without supporting evidence.
Politicians would still have to be elected, just once they had served they could not enter public sector professions again.

I'm still not understanding this.  YOU provide a list of unacceptable subjects; that is, subjects which you regard as lacking supporting evidence?

[Ted S]

Would schools be able to teach about electricity?  I've never seen electricity.  I've seen machines move because of something that others call electricity but I've never seen electricity with my own eyes.  I can't tell you what color it is.  I can't tell you what shape it resembles.  I've never seen electricity.  How could this be taught in schools?

[Gnosisquest]

Politicians would still have to be elected, just once they had served they could not enter public sector professions again.

Wait a minute now.  You originally wrote that elected officials would be forbidden from entering the PRIVATE sector again, now you're saying it's the PUBLIC sector.  I'm confused.  If they are allowed to enter the private sector then that means they can become lobbyists.

Yes you are indeed confused; picking up trash in a public park is not the same as lobbying. If you continue presenting parts of my statements as the full statement I will think you just aren't trying.

Would schools be able to teach about electricity?  I've never seen electricity.  I've seen machines move because of something that others call electricity but I've never seen electricity with my own eyes.  I can't tell you what color it is.  I can't tell you what shape it resembles.  I've never seen electricity.  How could this be taught in schools?

Is that the best you can do? reread what I said and create an answer after you understand it.

You want to be ruled by full-time career politicians and you want to ban the teaching of anything which, in your opinion, lacks a factual basis.  Isn't stuff like that a recipe for tyranny?

Not at all Coleman, I'm not against the teaching of anything as long as it is not thought as fact without supporting evidence.
Politicians would still have to be elected, just once they had served they could not enter public sector professions again.

I'm still not understanding this.  YOU provide a list of unacceptable subjects; that is, subjects which you regard as lacking supporting evidence?

True, and if there is not supporting evidence, such as trickle down economy it is thought as theory. What is it about this that is so hard for you to grasp?

[wbcoleman]

True, and if there is not supporting evidence, such as trickle down economy it is thought as theory. What is it about this that is so hard for you to grasp?

What's hard for me to grasp is that, nearly a hundred years after Lenin established the Cheka, any serious person could adopt this Leninist position.

[kentay]

Would schools be able to teach about electricity?  I've never seen electricity.  I've seen machines move because of something that others call electricity but I've never seen electricity with my own eyes.  I can't tell you what color it is.  I can't tell you what shape it resembles.  I've never seen electricity.  How could this be taught in schools?

Ted, after posting with you for this short time it's apparent there are many things you have not seen or know  much about. Electricity is invisible to the naked eye, but you can observe it on an Oscilloscope and measure it on a Volt-Ohm meter or see its results in a Iron, a light, a TV a stove and so on. There are basically two types of Electricity AC 60cps and 400cps single and 3 phase and DC.  AC is most common for Industry and homes because it can be moved around easily without much lost and it shape is a 360 degree sine wave. DC is more common in hand held phones and other low power battery devices and is a straight line or can be seen on a meter as a difference in potential. And BTW It's taught all the time in High Schools and military technical schools, because i taught it. You really need to start using Google and the internet more when you have a question from your lack of knowledge on a subject.  kentay 

[Gnosisquest]

Would schools be able to teach about electricity?  I've never seen electricity.  I've seen machines move because of something that others call electricity but I've never seen electricity with my own eyes.  I can't tell you what color it is.  I can't tell you what shape it resembles.  I've never seen electricity.  How could this be taught in schools?

Ted, after posting with you for this short time it's apparent there are many things you have not seen or know  much about. Electricity is invisible to the naked eye, but you can observe it on an Oscilloscope and measure it on a Volt-Ohm meter or see its results in a Iron, a light, a TV a stove and so on. There are basically two types of Electricity AC 60cps and 400cps single and 3 phase and DC.  AC is most common for Industry and homes because it can be moved around easily without much lost and it shape is a 360 degree sine wave. DC is more common in hand held phones and other low power battery devices and is a straight line or can be seen on a meter as a difference in potential. And BTW It's taught all the time in High Schools and military technical schools, because i taught it. You really need to start using Google and the internet more when you have a question from your lack of knowledge on a subject.  kentay 

These people do not use their heads for anything but a hat-stand. Calling someone a Leninist for proposing solutions to real problems is indicative of how low some people have sunk. Instead of coming with real arguments (they have none) they are like Monkeys slinging ****!

[RWE]

These people do not use their heads for anything but a hat-stand. ... Instead of coming with real arguments (they have none) they are like Monkeys slinging ****!

Funny. That's exactly what I thought about you when you posted this thread. 6 ground rules to a socialist utopia. Yeah, you've solved the world's problems. Why don't you run for congress on this platform and see how far you get.

[Gnosisquest]

These people do not use their heads for anything but a hat-stand. ... Instead of coming with real arguments (they have none) they are like Monkeys slinging ****!

Funny. That's exactly what I thought about you when you posted this thread. 6 ground rules to a socialist utopia. Yeah, you've solved the world's problems. Why don't you run for congress on this platform and see how far you get.

Try reading some history and see if you find any successful societies that did not take care of all its citizens!
Now look at societies that were successful and see what changed just before their demise!
Now explain to me why you think the US can adopt a policy that destroyed every other great society we have a record of!

[RWE]

Try reading some history and see if you find any successful societies that did not take care of all its citizens!
Now look at societies that were successful and see what changed just before their demise!
Now explain to me why you think the US can adopt a policy that destroyed every other great society we have a record of!

---1.) All essential services in society under full Government control. This would include but not be limited to: Military, Police, Fire, Ambulance, Medical, Education.---
----6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.----


Can you give me some examples from history of what happens when all essential services are under full Government control so I can read up on them? Has anyone ever tried having the Government in full control of education before? Has anyone ever banned the teaching of religious doctrine?

[Gnosisquest]

Try reading some history and see if you find any successful societies that did not take care of all its citizens!
Now look at societies that were successful and see what changed just before their demise!
Now explain to me why you think the US can adopt a policy that destroyed every other great society we have a record of!

---1.) All essential services in society under full Government control. This would include but not be limited to: Military, Police, Fire, Ambulance, Medical, Education.---
----6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact since there is no real evidence any is correct.----


Can you give me some examples from history of what happens when all essential services are under full Government control so I can read up on them? Has anyone ever tried having the Government in full control of education before? Has anyone ever banned the teaching of religious doctrine?

When it comes to societies where all essential services are under full Government control I suggest taking a look at the Scandinavian countries. Other than that some societies from 3500 BCE comes to mind.

I did not say barring the teaching of religious doctrine only the teaching of it as fact and there is a world of difference. When children are raised to believe in false assertions it often bars further knowledge.

[RWE]

--------In order to create a working society which benefit the entire human race, which I believe is what all but sociopaths desire, some ground rules would have to be enforced.--------

"I did not say barring the teaching of religious doctrine only the teaching of it as fact and there is a world of difference. When children are raised to believe in false assertions it often bars further knowledge."

How do you propose enforcing "Rule 6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact..." ? Would there be undercover police assigned to every church, mosque and synagogue to monitor what is taught? Or would citizens be recruited to report their fellow citizens for violations? What about in the home? Would children be taught in the Govt schools to turn in their parents if religious doctrines are discussed at home?

[Gnosisquest]

--------In order to create a working society which benefit the entire human race, which I believe is what all but sociopaths desire, some ground rules would have to be enforced.--------

"I did not say barring the teaching of religious doctrine only the teaching of it as fact and there is a world of difference. When children are raised to believe in false assertions it often bars further knowledge."

How do you propose enforcing "Rule 6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact..." ? Would there be undercover police assigned to every church, mosque and synagogue to monitor what is taught? Or would citizens be recruited to report their fellow citizens for violations? What about in the home? Would children be taught in the Govt schools to turn in their parents if religious doctrines are discussed at home?

I would propose enforcing it in much the same way we enforce not teaching the flat earth theory. If taught at all in schools we would also have to teach the opposite evidence such as the borrowing from Berossus and Manetho, the legends of the Shasu and Sumerian material. We should be teaching things such as "The Sentences of Sextus anyways which is a collection of Greek wisdom sayings and after that, for someone to teach that the tale of the flood/Abraham/Solomon/Jesus etc are factual tales from antiquity, it would be about the same as teaching children the earth is flat.

[RWE]

--------In order to create a working society which benefit the entire human race, which I believe is what all but sociopaths desire, some ground rules would have to be enforced.--------

"I did not say barring the teaching of religious doctrine only the teaching of it as fact and there is a world of difference. When children are raised to believe in false assertions it often bars further knowledge."

How do you propose enforcing "Rule 6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact..." ? Would there be undercover police assigned to every church, mosque and synagogue to monitor what is taught? Or would citizens be recruited to report their fellow citizens for violations? What about in the home? Would children be taught in the Govt schools to turn in their parents if religious doctrines are discussed at home?

I would propose enforcing it in much the same way we enforce not teaching the flat earth theory. If taught at all in schools we would also have to teach the opposite evidence such as the borrowing from Berossus and Manetho, the legends of the Shasu and Sumerian material. We should be teaching things such as "The Sentences of Sextus anyways which is a collection of Greek wisdom sayings and after that, for someone to teach that the tale of the flood/Abraham/Solomon/Jesus etc are factual tales from antiquity, it would be about the same as teaching children the earth is flat.

You're not answering my question.
Ted asked you about Rule 6 ban on teaching religious doctrine. He asked "No teaching where?  Could a parent instill a belief in faith in his or her own child or would that be a violation of your rule?"
You replied:"No teaching in Church or any other public facility."
Again I ask you: How would you enforce your rule that no teaching religious doctrine in a church? Would there be undercover police assigned to every church, mosque and synagogue to monitor what is taught? Or would citizens be recruited to report their fellow citizens for violations? What about in the home? Would children be taught in the Govt schools to turn in their parents if religious doctrines are discussed at home?

[Gnosisquest]

--------In order to create a working society which benefit the entire human race, which I believe is what all but sociopaths desire, some ground rules would have to be enforced.--------

"I did not say barring the teaching of religious doctrine only the teaching of it as fact and there is a world of difference. When children are raised to believe in false assertions it often bars further knowledge."

How do you propose enforcing "Rule 6.) No teaching of any religious doctrine or theory as fact..." ? Would there be undercover police assigned to every church, mosque and synagogue to monitor what is taught? Or would citizens be recruited to report their fellow citizens for violations? What about in the home? Would children be taught in the Govt schools to turn in their parents if religious doctrines are discussed at home?

I would propose enforcing it in much the same way we enforce not teaching the flat earth theory. If taught at all in schools we would also have to teach the opposite evidence such as the borrowing from Berossus and Manetho, the legends of the Shasu and Sumerian material. We should be teaching things such as "The Sentences of Sextus anyways which is a collection of Greek wisdom sayings and after that, for someone to teach that the tale of the flood/Abraham/Solomon/Jesus etc are factual tales from antiquity, it would be about the same as teaching children the earth is flat.

You're not answering my question.
Ted asked you about Rule 6 ban on teaching religious doctrine. He asked "No teaching where?  Could a parent instill a belief in faith in his or her own child or would that be a violation of your rule?"
You replied:"No teaching in Church or any other public facility."
Again I ask you: How would you enforce your rule that no teaching religious doctrine in a church? Would there be undercover police assigned to every church, mosque and synagogue to monitor what is taught? Or would citizens be recruited to report their fellow citizens for violations? What about in the home? Would children be taught in the Govt schools to turn in their parents if religious doctrines are discussed at home?

How many times do I have to answer the same question?
No teaching of dogma as fact in Churches or any public facilities since it is not based on fact.
That could be remedied in many ways such as a plaque in all Mosque, Churches and Synagogues stating that there is no evidence for any God and a plethora of evidence the holy books are based on plagiarism, hear-say, wishful thinking and primitive superstitions.
When it comes to what parents tell their children it is not the business of the government.